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we are talking about drugs andhuman trafficking.
if you would have donewe would have had the strongest
border we ever had.it was getting better and
better.>> we have already begun
clearing out land, acquiringland, and we will begin the
process of putting the borderwall up just like president
trump did, just like whatpresident biden should be doing.
>> the problem with building awall on the border between texas
and mexico is very simple.during the press conference, it
is known that journalists wantto ask questions.
they wanted to ask formerpresident donald trump if he was
ok with losing the lastpresidential election, as you
mr. trump, we have a question.are you going to recognize
finally you lost the election?no, you lost the election, the
electoral college.we are going to recognize that.
im a journalist.>> the former president donald
trump still has not decided ifhe will run as a presidential
candidate in the 2024 elections.congressman vincente gonzales
says the visit from presidenttrump is a slap in the face to
texans.he is here to tell us what he
meant.let me begin with the most
basic.you said that inviting president
trump to the border was like aslap in the face for texans.
why?>> inviting a president who
represents insurrection in ourcountry, he incited
an insurrection to try to stopthe transfer of power in our
country, and i think that isbiting him after he lost his
election.to our border, is nothing more
than political posturing by thegovernor.
and really, it is an insult totexans and americans who see a
president who did poorly in thiscountry.
he made us look bad around theworld for four years.
he did not improve conditions.many people died because of his
ignorance.he left a disaster in this
country and the government.we are trying to clean that up.
in the middle of this recovery,we have a governor who is
worried about his election andbrings him to the border.
governor greg abbott says thereis a literal invasion in
texas.your district borders with
mexico.he does not speak of an invasion
in mexico.over 100,000 undocumented
immigrants crossed from mexicoto the united states.
what do you think about thegovernors idea of building a
wall between texas and mexico?>> we are seeing that a wall is
not effective to stopimmigration.
to do so, we need to make thenecessary investments in those
countries to create the economicconditions and safety conditions
that will not push people toemigrate, like with mexico.
we have almost a negativeimmigration from mexico.
there is a lot of insecurity andmexico but people are living
better in mexico than they were20 or 30 years ago.
they have better economicconditions, a roof over their
head, food on their table, andthey are able to said their
children to school.those do not exist in some
central american countries.we need to create conditions.
we are talking about extremepoverty.
we need to correct policies wehave had with those countries.
until we do, we will haveimmigration problems on our
southern border.>> if i understand correctly, i
understand these plans will takeyears.
this will take many years.what you are telling us is we
have to get use to thousands ofimmigrants coming to the united
states illegally every year.>> no.
what im saying is we need tohave the same process to asylum
claims for refugees that we haveon our border, we need to have
that with guatemala and mexico,on that border.
if you have an asylum plan thatis legitimate at that point, you
should be able to fly to theunited states.
we need to reach a determinationthat 90% of migrants do not
qualify for asylum in thiscountry.
i am not for open borders.i am against open borders.
i am against irregularimmigration and have
undocumented people coming here.but we need to have a process
that can be easy, a process thatpeople can ask for permission to
come and work so we know whothey are, where they are going,
what they are going to do.that cannot be done -- that can
be done in a faster way.i have proposed that to the
administration.i hope they would listen and
make these proposals a reality.but we also need assistance from
mexico, and other countrieswhat, and all the central
american -- guatemala and othercountries, other central
american countries.i will not say it is not a
problem.it is definitely a problem.
to bring donald trump to ourborder is not the solution.
it is an insult to the americanpeople.
>> thank you for being here.>> thank you.
>>gaza, president of freeinitiative.
thank you for being on theprogram.
>> the lack of control that isperceived on the borderentirely
i think that is when he wasbrought, so he can emphasize
that point.they have undone a lot of the
measures he put in place toimprove or strengthen security.
>> president trump and governorabbott both agree on having a
wall between texas and mexico.do you think that is a good
idea?are you in favor of that?
>> i am in favor of a wall incertain parts of the border, but
not over the entire border.ultimately, the person who has
the responsibility and authorityto build a wall is the federal
government.the state, frankly, should not
become involved because it doesnot have the responsibility to
deal with immigration topics,but i understand it is also the
state that receives the brunt ofthe impact of one these crises
arrive.it is not the first.
it will not be the last.but for me, there should be
legislation that has beenintroduced to remedy this
situation, like the legislationpresented by tony gonzalez, a
republican also from texas, butalso senator kyrsten sinema from
arizona and john cornyn in thesenate.
they are talking aboutstrengthening security because
americans want a balance ofsecurity.
at the same time, they want toexpand legal avenues of entry.
for that, we need to act.>> when you said you would be in
favor of a new wall betweentexas and much to cook, correct?
>> no.if it gets to that, between
mcallen, texas, and a city inmexico, we need a border
wall because there is drugtrafficking, drug cartels, human
smugglers.there is a criminal dimension
that requires these measures.but in other parts of the
border, we dont need that.>> excuse me.
so many immigrants arrived byplane and simply overstay their
visa.what is the point of building a
wall when they come by plane?>> only in these urban areas
where the concentration ofpeople, where the criminal
impact is more acute.but in other parts, we dont
need it.i think that here even the
resources and national guard ofother, frankly, these
people do not have the authority.
that belongs to the federalgovernment, to the border
patrol.that is what the border
solutions act is talking aboutincreasing, border patrol, and
adding 150 new judges to improvethe process of dealing with
these cases.at the same time, four detention
centers to process people morequickly.
but in a way that respectsindividuals.
>> you are in mcallen right now.you understand the border.
i wanted to ask if from yourpoint of view this is true.
former president trump this weekclose to where you are said we
have an open border that isdangerous.
are you in agreement with that?>> well, i dont think it is as
bad as it is depicted.i think sometimes for partisan
reasons they try to exaggerateconditions.
but yes, there is a perceptibleinflux.
there is a certain lack ofcontrol.
and i think every american likesorder and they want to make sure
anyone who enters, enterslegally.
that is why we need to expandthose opportunities so people
can enter the country legally.that requires improving the visa
process, the asylum process forpeople who want to work and
strengthen the country.>> i want to finish and as a
political analyst ask you inless than a minute, do you think
donald trump will run forpresident in 2024 or will
perhaps texas governor gregabbott do so?
>> look.i cant anticipate what donald
trumps decision will be.>> no one.
>> knowing his personality, ithink he will run as a
candidate, but i think thatthere are other people who are
ascending.like you said, governor abbott,
governor desantis from florida,senator ted cruz, who has
indicated and signaled that hewill once again run.
so it will be a very tightlyfought battle in the primary.
>> thank you for being here.>> thanks to you.
>> when we return, we will go tothe disaster area and surfside.
we will speak with the mayor whohas taken a leadership role in
the rescue mission.and sarah was released after
being imprisonedionaffected manybeginning of the fourth of july
weekend.we return now to jorge ramos.
>> hurry up.hurry up.
>> hurry up.hurry up.
>> this cry of desperation hastouched many of us.
what has happened is that thisweek president joe biden and his
wife visited the area where abuilding collapsed and surfside,
florida.they met with rescue workers and
families of the victims.this is what the president said.
>> it is bad enough to losesomebody come up with the hard
part -- part, the really hardpart is to not know whether they
survived or not.we want them to know we are with
them and the country is withthem.
our message is we are here todayfor you as one nation.
as one nation.>> president biden met also with
the mayor of miami-dade.it is where the building fell.
daniela has taken leadership inthe rescue operation and is here
with us now.mayor, thank you for being with
us.people have been able to survive
for over a week, and many peopleare asking you about the
mexican rescue workers.why have they not been allowed
to start rescue operationsthere?
>> they presented and i saw theorder in which they were able to
help us, but there was a datefor them to arrive and they did
not arrive.i dont know where they are
right now because we waited fora day and they did not show up.
we have a lot of help fromanother mexican group.
they are now involved.now we have a smaller area where
we are doing the search becausethe rubble is holding up what
remains of the building and wecannot perform any searches
there, so we have a lot ofequipment here now, enough to do
the work.we know that many people want to
help, but at the moment, we haveenough to help.
>> mayor, i know you were therewhen president biden met with
families of the victims.president biden had a tragic
loss when he lost his wife, hisdaughter, and one of his
children.what did you see?
>> it was incredible really.he talked about his experience,
his losses, and it was veryemotional.
the families had the opportunityto talk to him one on one.
everyone, for three hours, hebrought them a lot of comfort.
>> mayor, if this happened in abuilding in miami-dade county, a
building that is over 40 yearsold, this can happen in a lot of
other buildings.i thought these kinds of things
did not happen in the unitedstates, but they are happening.
does this mean other buildingsin your county could also
collapse?>> well, we are not thinking
that other buildings have theseproblems.
we do have a process.about 40% of the county does not
have problems like this.we are checking everything.
we had to close andone building but not the
building itself for theapartments.
this is very complicated.we are investigating everything.
but yes, there is thepossibility that people might
have had information, might havewaited too long, werent making
repairs with enough urgency.but we will have to continue
with the investigation.i know we will find a way to
improve the laws and everythingfor the future so that this may
never happen again.>> you have taken a leadership
role in the rescue operationsfrom the very beginning, but
this came as a surprise, youhave been in your role for less
than a year.what have you learned and what
has impacted you most from thisexperience?
>> we have learned so much thatwe will use in the future, first
of all, that we have first-classequipment for people who are
doing the search-and-rescue, thebest in the world, and those who
have come from other countriessay that is the case.
but we can always learn more forthe future, especially with
these families who aresuffering, waiting period we
have many services for them.when this happened, we were only
thinking about how important itis to continue with the search.
but we had to set up socialservices, and we will continue
helping so they can haveeverything they need.
>> mayor, thank you for speakingwith us.
>> no, thanks to you.and thanks for waiting with us
and praying.what>> >> we return -- >> when,
sarah.is alex that -- >>♪
>> el salvador is one of thecountries in the world with the,
and that is something thatstrongest laws against abortion,
and that is something sarahknows well.
after spending years in jail,she has been freed and is here
now to tell us about herexperience.
thank you so much for speakingwith us.
i know it is a difficult momentand has been a complicated
situation but it is way to seeyou freed.
thank you for being here.>> thank you.
>> i know it is difficult, butcan i take you back to 2012 when
you had this accident and lostyour baby?
what happened?>> well, i suffered a fall.
i slept, i fell.i dont know what happened
because i fainted.>> a citizens group said the
following, she lost a lot ofblood, was taken to the
hospital, and despite herdelicate condition, she was
accused with trying to have anabortion of homicide -- and of
homicide.what did they tell you, do you
remember?>> the only thing i remember is
that the police agent wanted tohandcuff me.
i was unconscious.i did not know what was going
on.>> you found out you lost your
baby.on a personal level, and must
have been difficult, but did youknow the legal consequences that
would have were not?>> no, i did not know.
>> in the last few years, youspent almost 10 years in prison
and you have read a lot aboutthe laws against abortion.
could you explain to us more orless how the abortion law in el
salvador works from your pointof view?
>> well, i think it is a biginjustice because anyone can
have an accident.and i feel the laws are too
strict against the women becauseit is something that affects us
so much.i would like for that to change
in the country.>> do you think the salvatore
injustice system understood thiswas an accident and that you
should not spend 30 years inprison?
>> well, not really because theywere not thinking about what
happened.>>>> what was your experience
like in prison?>> well, it was very difficult
because i was away from myfamily.
it was very painful.but i had to struggle a lot in
that place.>> what do you mean when you
said you had to struggle?are you talking about a personal
level or for your safety?>> no.
i am talking about having tolearn things because of things
you learn being in prison.>> like what, for example?
>> like workshops that teach youhow to do things so you can get
ahead once you leave prison.>> you were sentenced to 30
years in prison.after spending almost 10 in
prison, you were set free.when you were told you were
being set free, what reasons didthey give you?
>> well, for me, it was a happysurprise because i could not
believe that after so many yearsi would be free and be able to
spend time with my family.>> now you decided to speak.
we know it is not easy.you are speaking out not just
for yourself but for otherwomen.
there are 16 women currentlyimprisoned for circumstances
similar to yours.what do you want us to know?
>> well, what i want is that thelaws in the country be changed
because there are many women whoare suffering there.
there are many who have childrenon the outside and they are very
small.they also deserve an opportunity
like i had.>> in your case, you had an
accident in 2012 and the laws inel salvador are among the
strictest in the world.in the united states, where i
am, a woman has rights over herbody and can decide whether or
not she wants to have anabortion.
have you thought the last fewyears what your personal
position is?>> well, i think that women can
best decide what to do, if theywant to do that were not.
>> what are your plans?>> well, my plans are to finish
school, finish my nursing degree, and, well, start a business at
my house.also, remodel my home, something
i have always wanted to do.>> what attitude do you think
you will take?will you try to put this in the
past, or is this something thatis setting you on a path of
activism?>> yes, i want to work for
others.like i said at the beginning,
they deserve an opportunity likeme.
i want them to return home totheir families.
>> i and with this.-- i end with this.
if you have an opportunity tospeak to the president, who
might be watching now, whatwould you say to him?
>> please give an opportunity tothe women who are currently
imprisoned.there are many children who do
not have their mothers and whoneed them.
please let it touch hisheart.
women deserve an opportunity toreturn home.
there are many who are innocent,and i ask him to please give
them the opportunity to returnhome.
>> do you think he has theopportunity and power to free
these people?>> yes.
yes, he does because i think hecan change many laws affecting
women, because like i said atthe beginning, i want all these
women who are imprisoned toreturn home again.
>> thank you for being here.thank you for your voice.
it is good to see you free.>> thank you.
>> when we return,>> the u.s. justice department
is trying to extradite thecolombian businessman alex saab
to the united states to facecharges of money laundering.
he is accused of being thefinance person for the president
of venezuela.gerardo reyes is the director
and wrote this new book aboutalex saab.
thank you for being here.gerardo: thank you for the
invitation.>> the book is alex saab.
many people do not know whonicolas maduro is.
explain.gerardo: he is the son of
immigrants in columbia.he decided he wanted to export
to venezuela.he had a textile business.
he wanted to take advantage of asystem where people could
multiply one dollar into four orfive dollars.
through this, through fictionalexports, that is how his story
begins.>> how does alex saab get
connected to nicolas maduro?gerardo: thanks to a leftist
senator who had linked tochavez, at one point she was the
only bridge between colombia andvenezuela when chavezs
relations with uribe werecompletely broken.
>> what does alex saab do fornicolas maduro?
gerardo: he becomes someone whocan help evade the united states
sanctions.so the senator takes him there.
there are different versions.maduro, when he was chancellor,
sent her to a medium.she was a medium for bolivar.
she says that senator cordova isgoing to be the president of
columbia, so chavez and madurogive her everything she wants.
among that was helping mr. alexsaab to get some money he had
lost.>> one of the fundamental parts
of this book is the phrase whereyou say the friends of alex saab
dont understand how such anordinary man with no real
aspirations became aninternational?
for the bolivar he and -- forthe bully -- international
jackal for the bolivarian group.gerardo: not for the drop in
exchange for money, so if thereis no milk, call saab.
if there is a lack of oil, callalex saab.
if there was a need, he could goto turkey.
>> the book ends when he isarrested in kate verde -- cape
verde.how does that happen?
>> they are processing thatarrest.
venezuela says he was ahumanitarian ambassador.
he was arrested there.the u.s. wants to extradite him
because of corruption but hedoes not want to speak against
maduro.>> he is saying he is a man
pursued by the umpire trying tohelp a country so it will not
starve.what he did was send food from
mexico, poor quality food, tochildren who were starving.
>> if he sings, if he speaks outagainst maduro, what will be
hear?will he talk?
gerardo: no.he has given different signals.
he has offered to give things.he said he wanted to speak
directly with president trump.because if he said what he knew,
it would guarantee trumpsvictory.
>> lets end with this.how much does alex saab know?
if he speaks, what will fall?gerardo: well, he knows from the
inside what the government andvenezuela is like, not just the
domestic part, but hisconnections with turkey, russia,
saudi arabia.because he was the fixer solving
problems day after day.>> the book is called " alex
saab: the truth about thebusinessman who became a
multimillionaire in the shadowof nicolas maduro.
thank you for being here --maduro.">> i feel incredibly at home.
it is crazy to be here afterwanting to be here for such a
long time.>> we are calling it broadway
survivor.>> there is no water.
>> we are dealing with life anddeath issues.
>> they have taken our abilityto fight for what we want.
>> what do you want?>> they are not here.
>> freedom.>> freedom.
this is part of a documentary, astory about how andy señor had
an impossible idea to bring abroadway play to havana.
the show was "rent."but aside from the logistical
issues, he had to face his ownfamily.
he is here with us now.the first question is totally
basic.why take it from the u.s. to
cuba?how did you have that idea?
what did your mother say whenshe said this was crazy?
>> yes, well, it began with anidea from bob.
it is a broadway company workingwith the culture ministry in
cuba.they did several concerts
previously that did really well.they said, well, the next step
should be to bring a musical anddo a musical with cuban actors.
they chose rent in the firststep.
they knew that i was acuban-american.
i have been involved in theworld that is "rent" for many
years, not just an actor becausei performed on broadway, but
also a director directing themusical "around the world."
so i was invited to direct themusical and was like, wow, how
incredible to bring a message oflove and tolerance to cuba, but
i told my mom and my family thatare currently in exile and they
laughed in 1959, my mom in 1960,and well, she did not take the
news very well.>> i imagine it was the most
difficult thing to convince yourparents because many in the
cuban-american family say theywill not return to cuba until
the dictatorship ends, and youviolated the principle that they
i knew i was going to go becausethe show is something that has
changed my life.from the time that i was 22
years old.and of course to take it to
every corner of the world, totake it to performers in cuba.
so i was going to do it.but of course, because of
political reasons, my mom didnot like the idea.
>> how easy is it to do a showin cuba when cuba is suffering?
>> this is for the people.>> if i can just affect a small
group of people, for me that isenough.
>> this is the craziest thing.>> sometimes we have to do
things that might go against ourparents in order to honor the
voice that is within us.the relationship we have with
ourselves.>> what you are saying is
important because the musicalspeaks openly about sexuality,
addiction, aids, the lgbtq pluscommunity.
>> yes, there is a lot ofoppression.
the interesting thing is ithought i was going to take a
revolutionary musical to havana.but when i arrived, the first
thing i did was see a play atthe public theater.
that play was much morepolitical.
it dealt with all the topics of"rent," like sexuality, with
more power than "rent."so theater in havana is already
expressing these topics.for me, i was like, ah, wow,
this is not going to be aproblem here.
>> the documentary was filmedbetween the end of 2014 and
2015, when there was areestablishing of relations
between barack obama and theisland.
of course, donald trump comes inand all of that ends.
what is the next project?what do you expect as a
cuban-american to bring togethercubans on the island and in
exile?what can be done?
>> im very interested.what i want to do is continue
developing musical theater fortheater but using the knowledge
i have of broadway to work withcubans, cuban performers, cuban
artists on our own musicals.this is what i am interested in,
not so much importing a musical.and of course, that is the stuff
i am taking.i am not a politician.
but i do it my way through art.sometimes you can accomplish
things with art that you cannotaccomplish with politics.
for me, art is a metaphor.it communicates three emotions.
it is a piece where you have tolisten.
yes, you present, but you alsolisten, enter other worlds,
other points of view.i think art and theater is very
powerful.these are steps, even though
they may be small, these aresteps that i think remain in the
heart.>> we will end there.
andy señor, thank you for beinghere with us.
>> thank you, jorge.>> for those of us who were born
abroad, it takes is a wild toget used to important dates in
the united states.caesar munoz tells us an
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