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Al Punto con Jorge Ramos - 4 de julio, 2021

Donald Trump apoya la construcción del muro entre Texas y México. La alcaldesa de Miami habla sobre las tareas de rescate en el derrumbe de Surfside. Una mujer acusada por aborto, habla en exclusiva trás una decada en la cárcel.
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in. we are talking about drugs andhuman trafficking. if you would have donewe would have had the strongest border we ever had.it was getting better and better.>> we have already begun clearing out land, acquiringland, and we will begin the process of putting the borderwall up just like president trump did, just like whatpresident biden should be doing. >> the problem with building awall on the border between texas and mexico is very simple.during the press conference, it is known that journalists wantto ask questions. they wanted to ask formerpresident donald trump if he was ok with losing the lastpresidential election, as you will see.>>. mr. trump, we have a question.are you going to recognize finally you lost the election?no, you lost the election, the electoral college.we are going to recognize that. im a journalist.>> the former president donald trump still has not decided ifhe will run as a presidential candidate in the 2024 elections.congressman vincente gonzales says the visit from presidenttrump is a slap in the face to texans.he is here to tell us what he meant.let me begin with the most basic.you said that inviting president trump to the border was like aslap in the face for texans. why?>> inviting a president who represents insurrection in ourcountry, he incited an insurrection to try to stopthe transfer of power in our country, and i think that isbiting him after he lost his election.to our border, is nothing more than political posturing by thegovernor. and really, it is an insult totexans and americans who see a president who did poorly in thiscountry. he made us look bad around theworld for four years. he did not improve conditions.many people died because of his ignorance.he left a disaster in this country and the government.we are trying to clean that up. in the middle of this recovery,we have a governor who is worried about his election andbrings him to the border. governor greg abbott says thereis a literal invasion in texas.your district borders with mexico.he does not speak of an invasion in mexico.over 100,000 undocumented immigrants crossed from mexicoto the united states. what do you think about thegovernors idea of building a wall between texas and mexico?>> we are seeing that a wall is not effective to stopimmigration. to do so, we need to make thenecessary investments in those countries to create the economicconditions and safety conditions that will not push people toemigrate, like with mexico. we have almost a negativeimmigration from mexico. there is a lot of insecurity andmexico but people are living better in mexico than they were20 or 30 years ago. they have better economicconditions, a roof over their head, food on their table, andthey are able to said their children to school.those do not exist in some central american countries.we need to create conditions. we are talking about extremepoverty. we need to correct policies wehave had with those countries. until we do, we will haveimmigration problems on our southern border.>> if i understand correctly, i understand these plans will takeyears. this will take many years.what you are telling us is we have to get use to thousands ofimmigrants coming to the united states illegally every year.>> no. what im saying is we need tohave the same process to asylum claims for refugees that we haveon our border, we need to have that with guatemala and mexico,on that border. if you have an asylum plan thatis legitimate at that point, you should be able to fly to theunited states. we need to reach a determinationthat 90% of migrants do not qualify for asylum in thiscountry. i am not for open borders.i am against open borders. i am against irregularimmigration and have undocumented people coming here.but we need to have a process that can be easy, a process thatpeople can ask for permission to come and work so we know whothey are, where they are going, what they are going to do.that cannot be done -- that can be done in a faster way.i have proposed that to the administration.i hope they would listen and make these proposals a reality.but we also need assistance from mexico, and other countrieswhat, and all the central american -- guatemala and othercountries, other central american countries.i will not say it is not a problem.it is definitely a problem. to bring donald trump to ourborder is not the solution. it is an insult to the americanpeople. >> thank you for being here.>> thank you. >>gaza, president of freeinitiative. thank you for being on theprogram. >> the lack of control that isperceived on the borderentirely i think that is when he wasbrought, so he can emphasize that point.they have undone a lot of the measures he put in place toimprove or strengthen security. >> president trump and governorabbott both agree on having a wall between texas and mexico.do you think that is a good idea?are you in favor of that? >> i am in favor of a wall incertain parts of the border, but not over the entire border.ultimately, the person who has the responsibility and authorityto build a wall is the federal government.the state, frankly, should not become involved because it doesnot have the responsibility to deal with immigration topics,but i understand it is also the state that receives the brunt ofthe impact of one these crises arrive.it is not the first. it will not be the last.but for me, there should be legislation that has beenintroduced to remedy this situation, like the legislationpresented by tony gonzalez, a republican also from texas, butalso senator kyrsten sinema from arizona and john cornyn in thesenate. they are talking aboutstrengthening security because americans want a balance ofsecurity. at the same time, they want toexpand legal avenues of entry. for that, we need to act.>> when you said you would be in favor of a new wall betweentexas and much to cook, correct? >> no.if it gets to that, between mcallen, texas, and a city inmexico, we need a border wall because there is drugtrafficking, drug cartels, human smugglers.there is a criminal dimension that requires these measures.but in other parts of the border, we dont need that.>> excuse me. so many immigrants arrived byplane and simply overstay their visa.what is the point of building a wall when they come by plane?>> only in these urban areas where the concentration ofpeople, where the criminal impact is more acute.but in other parts, we dont need it.i think that here even the resources and national guard ofother, frankly, these people do not have the authority. that belongs to the federalgovernment, to the border patrol.that is what the border solutions act is talking aboutincreasing, border patrol, and adding 150 new judges to improvethe process of dealing with these cases.at the same time, four detention centers to process people morequickly. but in a way that respectsindividuals. >> you are in mcallen right now.you understand the border. i wanted to ask if from yourpoint of view this is true. former president trump this weekclose to where you are said we have an open border that isdangerous. are you in agreement with that?>> well, i dont think it is as bad as it is depicted.i think sometimes for partisan reasons they try to exaggerateconditions. but yes, there is a perceptibleinflux. there is a certain lack ofcontrol. and i think every american likesorder and they want to make sure anyone who enters, enterslegally. that is why we need to expandthose opportunities so people can enter the country legally.that requires improving the visa process, the asylum process forpeople who want to work and strengthen the country.>> i want to finish and as a political analyst ask you inless than a minute, do you think donald trump will run forpresident in 2024 or will perhaps texas governor gregabbott do so? >> look.i cant anticipate what donald trumps decision will be.>> no one. >> knowing his personality, ithink he will run as a candidate, but i think thatthere are other people who are ascending.like you said, governor abbott, governor desantis from florida,senator ted cruz, who has indicated and signaled that hewill once again run. so it will be a very tightlyfought battle in the primary. >> thank you for being here.>> thanks to you. >> when we return, we will go tothe disaster area and surfside. we will speak with the mayor whohas taken a leadership role in the rescue mission.and sarah was released after being imprisonedionaffected manybeginning of the fourth of july weekend.we return now to jorge ramos. >> hurry up.hurry up. >> careful.careful. >> hurry up.hurry up. >> this cry of desperation hastouched many of us. what has happened is that thisweek president joe biden and his wife visited the area where abuilding collapsed and surfside, florida.they met with rescue workers and families of the victims.this is what the president said. >> it is bad enough to losesomebody come up with the hard part -- part, the really hardpart is to not know whether they survived or not.we want them to know we are with them and the country is withthem. our message is we are here todayfor you as one nation. as one nation.>> president biden met also with the mayor of miami-dade.it is where the building fell. daniela has taken leadership inthe rescue operation and is here with us now.mayor, thank you for being with us.people have been able to survive for over a week, and many peopleare asking you about the mexican rescue workers.why have they not been allowed to start rescue operationsthere? >> they presented and i saw theorder in which they were able to help us, but there was a datefor them to arrive and they did not arrive.i dont know where they are right now because we waited fora day and they did not show up. we have a lot of help fromanother mexican group. they are now involved.now we have a smaller area where we are doing the search becausethe rubble is holding up what remains of the building and wecannot perform any searches there, so we have a lot ofequipment here now, enough to do the work.we know that many people want to help, but at the moment, we haveenough to help. >> mayor, i know you were therewhen president biden met with families of the victims.president biden had a tragic loss when he lost his wife, hisdaughter, and one of his children.what did you see? >> it was incredible really.he talked about his experience, his losses, and it was veryemotional. the families had the opportunityto talk to him one on one. everyone, for three hours, hebrought them a lot of comfort. >> mayor, if this happened in abuilding in miami-dade county, a building that is over 40 yearsold, this can happen in a lot of other buildings.i thought these kinds of things did not happen in the unitedstates, but they are happening. does this mean other buildingsin your county could also collapse?>> well, we are not thinking that other buildings have theseproblems. we do have a process.about 40% of the county does not have problems like this.we are checking everything. we had to close andone building but not the building itself for theapartments. this is very complicated.we are investigating everything. but yes, there is thepossibility that people might have had information, might havewaited too long, werent making repairs with enough urgency.but we will have to continue with the investigation.i know we will find a way to improve the laws and everythingfor the future so that this may never happen again.>> you have taken a leadership role in the rescue operationsfrom the very beginning, but this came as a surprise, youhave been in your role for less than a year.what have you learned and what has impacted you most from thisexperience? >> we have learned so much thatwe will use in the future, first of all, that we have first-classequipment for people who are doing the search-and-rescue, thebest in the world, and those who have come from other countriessay that is the case. but we can always learn more forthe future, especially with these families who aresuffering, waiting period we have many services for them.when this happened, we were only thinking about how important itis to continue with the search. but we had to set up socialservices, and we will continue helping so they can haveeverything they need. >> mayor, thank you for speakingwith us. >> no, thanks to you.and thanks for waiting with us and praying.what>> >> we return -- >> when, sarah.is alex that -- >>♪ >> el salvador is one of thecountries in the world with the, and that is something thatstrongest laws against abortion, and that is something sarahknows well. after spending years in jail,she has been freed and is here now to tell us about herexperience. thank you so much for speakingwith us. i know it is a difficult momentand has been a complicated situation but it is way to seeyou freed. thank you for being here.>> thank you. >> i know it is difficult, butcan i take you back to 2012 when you had this accident and lostyour baby? what happened?>> well, i suffered a fall. i slept, i fell.i dont know what happened because i fainted.>> a citizens group said the following, she lost a lot ofblood, was taken to the hospital, and despite herdelicate condition, she was accused with trying to have anabortion of homicide -- and of homicide.what did they tell you, do you remember?>> the only thing i remember is that the police agent wanted tohandcuff me. i was unconscious.i did not know what was going on.>> you found out you lost your baby.on a personal level, and must have been difficult, but did youknow the legal consequences that would have were not?>> no, i did not know. >> in the last few years, youspent almost 10 years in prison and you have read a lot aboutthe laws against abortion. could you explain to us more orless how the abortion law in el salvador works from your pointof view? >> well, i think it is a biginjustice because anyone can have an accident.and i feel the laws are too strict against the women becauseit is something that affects us so much.i would like for that to change in the country.>> do you think the salvatore injustice system understood thiswas an accident and that you should not spend 30 years inprison? >> well, not really because theywere not thinking about what happened.>>>> what was your experience like in prison?>> well, it was very difficult because i was away from myfamily. it was very painful.but i had to struggle a lot in that place.>> what do you mean when you said you had to struggle?are you talking about a personal level or for your safety?>> no. i am talking about having tolearn things because of things you learn being in prison.>> like what, for example? >> like workshops that teach youhow to do things so you can get ahead once you leave prison.>> you were sentenced to 30 years in prison.after spending almost 10 in prison, you were set free.when you were told you were being set free, what reasons didthey give you? >> well, for me, it was a happysurprise because i could not believe that after so many yearsi would be free and be able to spend time with my family.>> now you decided to speak. we know it is not easy.you are speaking out not just for yourself but for otherwomen. there are 16 women currentlyimprisoned for circumstances similar to yours.what do you want us to know? >> well, what i want is that thelaws in the country be changed because there are many women whoare suffering there. there are many who have childrenon the outside and they are very small.they also deserve an opportunity like i had.>> in your case, you had an accident in 2012 and the laws inel salvador are among the strictest in the world.in the united states, where i am, a woman has rights over herbody and can decide whether or not she wants to have anabortion. have you thought the last fewyears what your personal position is?>> well, i think that women can best decide what to do, if theywant to do that were not. >> what are your plans?>> well, my plans are to finish school, finish my nursing degree, and, well, start a business at my house.also, remodel my home, something i have always wanted to do.>> what attitude do you think you will take?will you try to put this in the past, or is this something thatis setting you on a path of activism?>> yes, i want to work for others.like i said at the beginning, they deserve an opportunity likeme. i want them to return home totheir families. >> i and with this.-- i end with this. if you have an opportunity tospeak to the president, who might be watching now, whatwould you say to him? >> please give an opportunity tothe women who are currently imprisoned.there are many children who do not have their mothers and whoneed them. please let it touch hisheart. women deserve an opportunity toreturn home. there are many who are innocent,and i ask him to please give them the opportunity to returnhome. >> do you think he has theopportunity and power to free these people?>> yes. yes, he does because i think hecan change many laws affecting women, because like i said atthe beginning, i want all these women who are imprisoned toreturn home again. >> thank you for being here.thank you for your voice. it is good to see you free.>> thank you. >> when we return,>> the u.s. justice department is trying to extradite thecolombian businessman alex saab to the united states to facecharges of money laundering. he is accused of being thefinance person for the president of venezuela.gerardo reyes is the director and wrote this new book aboutalex saab. thank you for being here.gerardo: thank you for the invitation.>> the book is alex saab. many people do not know whonicolas maduro is. explain.gerardo: he is the son of immigrants in columbia.he decided he wanted to export to venezuela.he had a textile business. he wanted to take advantage of asystem where people could multiply one dollar into four orfive dollars. through this, through fictionalexports, that is how his story begins.>> how does alex saab get connected to nicolas maduro?gerardo: thanks to a leftist senator who had linked tochavez, at one point she was the only bridge between colombia andvenezuela when chavezs relations with uribe werecompletely broken. >> what does alex saab do fornicolas maduro? gerardo: he becomes someone whocan help evade the united states sanctions.so the senator takes him there. there are different versions.maduro, when he was chancellor, sent her to a medium.she was a medium for bolivar. she says that senator cordova isgoing to be the president of columbia, so chavez and madurogive her everything she wants. among that was helping mr. alexsaab to get some money he had lost.>> one of the fundamental parts of this book is the phrase whereyou say the friends of alex saab dont understand how such anordinary man with no real aspirations became aninternational? for the bolivar he and -- forthe bully -- international jackal for the bolivarian group.gerardo: not for the drop in exchange for money, so if thereis no milk, call saab. if there is a lack of oil, callalex saab. if there was a need, he could goto turkey. >> the book ends when he isarrested in kate verde -- cape verde.how does that happen? >> they are processing thatarrest. venezuela says he was ahumanitarian ambassador. he was arrested there.the u.s. wants to extradite him because of corruption but hedoes not want to speak against maduro.>> he is saying he is a man pursued by the umpire trying tohelp a country so it will not starve.what he did was send food from mexico, poor quality food, tochildren who were starving. >> if he sings, if he speaks outagainst maduro, what will be hear?will he talk? gerardo: no.he has given different signals. he has offered to give things.he said he wanted to speak directly with president trump.because if he said what he knew, it would guarantee trumpsvictory. >> lets end with this.how much does alex saab know? if he speaks, what will fall?gerardo: well, he knows from the inside what the government andvenezuela is like, not just the domestic part, but hisconnections with turkey, russia, saudi arabia.because he was the fixer solving problems day after day.>> the book is called " alex saab: the truth about thebusinessman who became a multimillionaire in the shadowof nicolas maduro. thank you for being here --maduro.">> i feel incredibly at home. it is crazy to be here afterwanting to be here for such a long time.>> we are calling it broadway survivor.>> there is no water. >> we are dealing with life anddeath issues. >> they have taken our abilityto fight for what we want. >> what do you want?>> they are not here. >> freedom.>> freedom. this is part of a documentary, astory about how andy señor had an impossible idea to bring abroadway play to havana. the show was "rent."but aside from the logistical issues, he had to face his ownfamily. he is here with us now.the first question is totally basic.why take it from the u.s. to cuba?how did you have that idea? what did your mother say whenshe said this was crazy? >> yes, well, it began with anidea from bob. it is a broadway company workingwith the culture ministry in cuba.they did several concerts previously that did really well.they said, well, the next step should be to bring a musical anddo a musical with cuban actors. they chose rent in the firststep. they knew that i was acuban-american. i have been involved in theworld that is "rent" for many years, not just an actor becausei performed on broadway, but also a director directing themusical "around the world." so i was invited to direct themusical and was like, wow, how incredible to bring a message oflove and tolerance to cuba, but i told my mom and my family thatare currently in exile and they laughed in 1959, my mom in 1960,and well, she did not take the news very well.>> i imagine it was the most difficult thing to convince yourparents because many in the cuban-american family say theywill not return to cuba until the dictatorship ends, and youviolated the principle that they behold.>> yes. i knew i was going to go becausethe show is something that has changed my life.from the time that i was 22 years old.and of course to take it to every corner of the world, totake it to performers in cuba. so i was going to do it.but of course, because of political reasons, my mom didnot like the idea. >> how easy is it to do a showin cuba when cuba is suffering? >> this is for the people.>> if i can just affect a small group of people, for me that isenough. >> this is the craziest thing.>> sometimes we have to do things that might go against ourparents in order to honor the voice that is within us.the relationship we have with ourselves.>> what you are saying is important because the musicalspeaks openly about sexuality, addiction, aids, the lgbtq pluscommunity. >> yes, there is a lot ofoppression. the interesting thing is ithought i was going to take a revolutionary musical to havana.but when i arrived, the first thing i did was see a play atthe public theater. that play was much morepolitical. it dealt with all the topics of"rent," like sexuality, with more power than "rent."so theater in havana is already expressing these topics.for me, i was like, ah, wow, this is not going to be aproblem here. >> the documentary was filmedbetween the end of 2014 and 2015, when there was areestablishing of relations between barack obama and theisland. of course, donald trump comes inand all of that ends. what is the next project?what do you expect as a cuban-american to bring togethercubans on the island and in exile?what can be done? >> im very interested.what i want to do is continue developing musical theater fortheater but using the knowledge i have of broadway to work withcubans, cuban performers, cuban artists on our own musicals.this is what i am interested in, not so much importing a musical.and of course, that is the stuff i am taking.i am not a politician. but i do it my way through art.sometimes you can accomplish things with art that you cannotaccomplish with politics. for me, art is a metaphor.it communicates three emotions. it is a piece where you have tolisten. yes, you present, but you alsolisten, enter other worlds, other points of view.i think art and theater is very powerful.these are steps, even though they may be small, these aresteps that i think remain in the heart.>> we will end there. andy señor, thank you for beinghere with us. >> thank you, jorge.>> for those of us who were born abroad, it takes is a wild toget used to important dates in the united states.caesar munoz tells us an experience on this fourth ofjuly. ♪♪ orfollow us on facebook, instagram, and twitter.so until next week, we get to the point, "al punto."

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