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Ataques terroristas dejan a miles de muertos en Afganistán. El gobierno de los Estados Unidos aprueba el uso de la vacuna Pfizer. La galardonada novelista, Sandra Cisneros, habla sobre su nuevo libro.
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>> thats get to the point, "al punto.">> we will not be deterred or terrorists.>> terrorists leave thousands dead and afghanistan, includingu.s. military. the latest on what is happeningin the country. the government approves thepfizer vaccine against covid fully.we speak with the president and ceo of pfizer.there is a new investigation against the president of elsalvador, accused of negotiating with three gangs.we speak about what was discovered.>> i hope immigrants can recognize themselves in this.>> sandra cisneros is here to talk about her new book,published in english and spanish.we begin now. ♪>> lets get to the point, "al punto," with jorge ramos.>> lets get to the point. it is 48 hours before the unitedstates is supposed to leave afghanistan, but the last fewdays have been terrible. what everyone feared wouldhappen happened. a terrorist attack at the kabulairport that left dozens dead, including over 12 u.s. military.pablo has the latest in washington.>> biden promised vengeance after the attack in kabul thatkilled at least 12 u.s. soldiers and 170 afghanis.>> there are two high-profile isis targets killed pier 1 waswounded. we know of zero civiliancasualties. >> two high-profile numbers ofisis-k were killed. chances of another attack areprobable, but the evacuations will continue until the lastminute. >> we will complete the mission.>> they say they will fulfill bidens orders take as manypeople out as possible. despite the attack, the whitehouse says biden has not reconsidered his decision towithdraw from afghanistan. >> biden will not reconsiderbecause, for him, it is important to fulfill his missionis the president, the commander-in-chief, who decidedto leave, and he will complete this.>> the initial phase of evacuations was surrounded bychaos. the final numbers are exceedingwhat was originally estimated. over 100,000 people have beenevacuated. nonetheless, any people whohelped the united states will not be able to leave because ofthe difficulties entailing arriving at the airport.the taliban have tried multiple time to disperse the crowd,including smoke grenades gay people continue arriving to theairport, hoping to leave the country.>> this will be very difficult for the united states, helpingits citizens to leave. they can do so only if they usehelicopters. >> some say the isis attack ortens -- portends a dangerous future for afghanistan.others are collaborating with afghans.>> i think several international groups will go to afghanistan tofind training and logistical support care this will become anepicenter of international terrorism.>> this commander of isis-k gave an interview days before theattack. isis-k took responsibility.they were able to enter the capital despite being mortalenemies with the taliban. he said that they are able torecruit new members. and raise money.evacuations will continue until tuesday, august 31.>> the biden administration has faced several criticisms for howit has handled the withdrawal from afghanistan.roger romero was the secretary of defense and was in the armyin afghanistan. thank you for being with us.you have said the troop withdrawal from afghanistan hasbeen catastrophically poor. where has president biden made amistake? >> look, it is very easy -- fromthe military psychological point of view, you can find the exactpoint of failure. it was when the united states,two months ago, gave the bob graham -- bagram military baseclose to kabul. it was our most importantstrategic base in afghanistan, from every point of view, and wegave it up. i think the opportunity tohandle the evacuation, withdrawal, was lost when thatmilitary point was given up. >> would you have left unitedstates troops in afghanistan for a few more years?>> look, there are many ways that the objectives could havebeen fulfilled, to leave afghanistan stable, to findterrorists, but all of that is being lost right now.we are in the middle of the evacuation.we need to recover the psychological and militaryinitiatives. for the moment, our enemies arewinning. >> would you say the unitedstates lost the war in afghanistan?president biden says two objectives were accomplished,one, the end of al qaeda, responsible for the terroristattacks of september 11, and avoid the taliban organizingattack against us. was the war lost?>> i will tell you what was lost.in 18 and a half years, the taliban were never able to takea single district or city in afghanistan.when negotiations began in february of 2020, without thegovernment of afghanistan at the table, the psychological battlewas lost. instantly, as soon as thatnegotiation began, everyone began making their own dealswith the taliban, separately. that is where the politicalbattle was lost. afghanistan, in these weeks, wastaken over by barely 25,000 combatants.25,000 combatants. an enormous territory of 39million people. so i will say absolutely not,that was not a military victory. they have -- neither have theywon the war, nor have we lost it.>> you fought in afghanistan in 2002.you have a personal story, because, on september 11,something happened near your office.can you explain what happened? >> the nose of an americanairlines airplane landed -- hit my new office.>> you are not there? >> i was saved, as they say incosta rica, where i am from, i was saved by a tooth.this tooth. i was at the dentists office.i was at the pentagon at that corridor when the plane hit.thank god i was saved. no one in my office was hurt.>> i know this is very personal for you.then you went to fight in afghanistan.what did the people who fought with you in afghanistan say toyou, both americans and afghans? what do they want from theunited states? >> what do they want from theunited states? they want us to be strong.that is what they respect. that is what the taliban respectto of a want us to be strong. they want us to pay our debts tothe people who were ready to give it all.it is our duty to honor that. i am now with veterans, withretired service members, to try to evacuate those who helped us.look, there are 250,000 people, still -- 250,000 people left tobe evacuated, according to estimates.what we have right now is chaos at the kabul airport.that is why i say we need to correct the fatal militaryerror, which was to give up bag ram.we need to retake that airfield. it is a military objective.it can be done. to impose order and return tothe evacuation program. according to the deal originallymade, that is what needs to be done.if we do not do that, we will lose not only afghanistan butour credibility around the world.>> roger morror, thank you for being with us.we are joined by congressman vargas from california.thank you for being with us. you are in the same clinicalparty as president biden, but where did president biden makea mistake? >> it has been a disaster.we have to say the truth. it has been very difficult foreverybody. but giving a date, and exactdate when we were leaving, i think that was the problem.now that we have it, i think we will meet that deadline, becauseotherwise, i think things could turn worse.there are many problems we have, but i think violence willincrease. the biggest mistake was to saywe will leave by the state and not be here for that was aproblem. >> is this a problem withexecution? do you agree with bidens ideato withdraw the troops but not how he did it?>> i do not know pete i am of two minds, to say the truth.one thing that bothered you was this -- we needed to pay troopsin afghanistan to defend themselves.they would say, if you do not pay us, we will not defendourselves. we did that for 20 years.at the same time, we knew that, if we were going to leave, theterrorists could return. that is why i am of two minds.it is -- their own people did not want to defend themselves.there were more afghan soldiers in the taliban -- then thetaliban, and they did not want to defend themselves.it is a difficult situation. >> one reason we invited you asyou have gone several times to the kabul airport.is the -- is it safe at this moment for americans inside theairport, and how can we be sure, when they are supposedlyprotected either taliban, when we saw last thursday they wereunable to prevent a terrorist attack?>> that is very interesting care that is a very good question.i think that when they are inside the airport itself, theydo have a way of defending themselves.the problem is when they leave. very interesting, right?they are going to have to leave that place.that airport is very similar to the one we have here in sandiego. that is, when you arrive, youcan land -- we call it a conflict landing.they stay in the airport area, because once you leave, you areflying over houses. an airplane can be brought downeasily. that is the hard part,departing. there are many taliban defendingnear the airport, so i do not think we will have too manyproblems. there will be more conflicts,but the big problem we have is that they could take down anairplane with hundreds of people , perhaps with our own marines.that is the problem. >> congressman vargas, what isthe image of the united states and joe biden in the world?>> sadly, tarnished. tarnished.i love him very much. i approve of what he has done inmany ways. but here, he has made a mistake.we, as americans, look at. -- look bad.the exit was poorly planned. there were a lot of problems.we have evacuated 100,000 people, but we are looking badhere. >> is it possible the unitedstates is losing its reputation as the primary military power inthe world? vietnam was lost, afghanistanwas lost. >> you could say that.we should also not be fighting everywhere.there are places where we should not have a war.why are we going there? especially afghanistan.we had to go to defeat the taliban at that moment, becausethey were helping al qaeda. but we needed to leave 20 yearsago, right? because we continue paying thesame people who do not want to defend themselves.for me, that was stupid, that these people do not want todefend themselves. so to remain there, 20 years,spend $150 million a year for themselves to defend themselveswhen they did not want to defend themselves -->> i will end with this. are you afraid of anotherterrorist attack against the united states coming from thatplace? >> i think things will becomemore dangerous, and i think that possibility, unfortunately, doesexist. >> congressman vargas, thank youfor being with us. >> i am at your disposal.>> later on the program, the ceo of pfizer comes to "al punto."pfizers vaccine has been approved fully.also the digital magazine, "el farro," says nayib unto con jorgthe battle against covid-19. the united states governmentapproved the pfizer vaccine for everyone over the age of 16.this means that it is no longer an experimental vaccine.over 92 million people vaccinated receive the datareceived the pfizer -- received the pfizer vaccine.to speak about that, we are joined by the chairman and ceoof pfizer, albert orla -- albert bourla.>> it is a pleasure to be with you.>> we had a vaccine approved for emergency use and now has beenfully approved. can you talk about the process?how did we get here? >> it means the gold standard ofthe regulatory agencies has reviewed all the available data,and they have granted the approval of this vaccine.the dossier we presented for approval was 360,000 pages.you can imagine how many people on our part worked on this.how many people at the agencies read this to approve it.it was a monumental task. we are very pleased with theapproval. >> so, as you know, the questionis can you give us the assurance that the vaccine people will getis as safe as the one that has been approved?>> oh, yes. i think that we knew the vaccinewas safe. with a high level of confidence.because this is one of the few medications that has beenadministered to so many people. it has been given to over onebillion people so far. hundreds of millions in theunited states. and we have a very good systemof tracking the security and safety of our product, so weknew that, yes, it is extremely safe.>> let me ask you about the latino community in the unitedstates. many people are afraid ofgetting vaccinated, not just yours but all of the vaccines,and latinas are almost two times as likely to contract covid-19-- latinos are almost two times as likely to contract covid-19versus those who are not latino. what can you say specificallyabout your vaccine? >> i understand their concerns.you cannot convince people just with data.i think the most important thing i have found, when i talk aboutthis, with many people, perhaps the most convincing thing isthat the decision to get vaccinated does not just affectyou and your health, it will impact the health of others, andmost likely, it will affect the health of the people you love,people you are with, the people with whom you interact.the people you hug, you kiss. and you should thinkintelligently before making the decision out of fear for beingvaccinated. >> let me ask you -- iunderstand there is an agreement between you and the unitedstates government to provide vaccines until april of nextyear, but i wanted to ask you about your philosophy regardingvaccines. do you think this vaccine shouldbe free forever? >> i do think that the vaccineshould remain free forever, but i think -- well, all vaccinesare free of charge in the united states.any vaccine recommended by the cdc, not just the covid-19vaccine, but any vaccine is given without a co-pay.people do not have to pay anything to get vaccinated.this is because the health system acknowledges theimportance of vaccination. when people get vaccinated, weare reducing the health care costs later on, and the humancosts. >> comedy lives do you thinkyour vaccines have saved? >> you known, i think a lot.i heard president biden today referred to a study from yaleuniversity that said the vaccines had saved 100,000 livesin the united states so far and had prevented 500,000hospitalizations, approximately. if we project this across theworld, we feel proud and humbled to have been the ones who hadthe opportunity to do all this. >> thank you so much for beingwith us. >> thank you.>> when we return, a new investigation about thepresident of el salvador. "el faro" said that hisnegotiation -- his administration negotiated withthree gangs and then hit the evidence.then my conversation with author sandra cisneros.we talk about her new novel, published in english andspanish. ♪p♪ >> we are going to talk about elsalvador and a new report from the digital newspaper, "el faro." journalists published an articlesaying the government of nayib bukele negotiated with the threemain gangs in the country. the government denies this, but"el faro" says they have evidence.the founder and editor is with us to actually what they found.thank you for being on the show. i want to ask directly what didthe president of el salvador do with the three main gangs in thecountry? >> hello, thank you.the prison system allowed gang members into maximum-securityprisons so they could meet with other gang members to establishthe basis for negotiation with the president, nayib bukele.while the president has claimed that the drop in gang violencehas been due to the work of the police and the army.before for several months, they went to the prisons, joined bythe director of the prison system and other governmentofficials. members of these gangs andstreet leaders would go there to meet with the leaders in prisonand transmit messages to the streets.>> what was negotiated? what did president bukele want?>> to begin, he wanted a lower homicide rate.to be frank, for those who have read the material, we still donot know the final agreement. but we have different pieces ofthe puzzle. we know what the gangs askedhere they wanted benefits in prisons, benefits for theirmembers out on the streets as well.>> has it been successful? this negotiation that thegovernment has not acknowledged, has crime gone down in elsalvador, was it worth it? >> the reduction in homicides isin excess of 65 percent since president bukele took office.whether or not it was worth it, jorge, i think those arepolitical questions or another type of question, because we aretalking about negotiations done behind the citizens back,negotiations to achieve a certain effect before theelections, and whether or not it was worth it, if we speakstrictly in terms of lives saved, yes, the reduction inhomicides is drastic. but i want to remind you thatprevious administrations have negotiated with these same gangs, homicide rates did drop, but the long-term consequences havebeen worse, as we have seen. the bukele administration hasnot acknowledged these negotiations and what evidencedo you have? >> we published the firstmaterial almost a year ago. everyone in the governmentdenied it. now it is part of these newrevelations in these article. we were not the only ones behindthis. the attorney generals officeopened an investigation and documented this with videos,telephone intercessions, audio, video.they revealed all this negotiation.the attorney generals office, the special unit investigatingthis, was dismantled on may 1. then u.s. emily took control ofcongress that day, and that day, they let go of the previousprosecutor who was handling this investigation, and theydismantled the unit that was undergoing this investigation.>> very well. some people fear nayib bukelemay become not just an authoritarian leader but that hemay want to remain in power beyond what the constitutionsays. what is a possibility of thishappening? >> look, there is already aconstitutional reform proposal. there was an ad hoc commissionestablished by the president to analyze the need forconstitutional reforms, including the extension of thepresidential term but not reelection yet.there are three central american countries where presidents havemanipulated the closet to shins somehow to remain in power.in the -- in the kanagawa, honduras, costa rica.it was not done via constitutional reform.it was done by decree in each of these countries.the supreme court declared this unconstitutional, allowingreelection to take place. today, the president of elsalvador controls of government as well as the police andmilitary. >> what youre telling me isthat el salvador today is no longer a democracy?>> jorge, democracy is not just about the results of anelection. it resides in institutions, inchecks and balances. this is what has been dismantled. the replacement of the assemblywas not done legally. it was done without theprocedures established by law. i will go beyond that.there is no access to public information.the new assembly has been acting without transparency.we are talking about institutions that are meant tocounterbalance events and keep the public informed.>> carlos dada, thank you for being here.>> thank you. .>> when we sandra cisneros wanted to tell the story of awriter from chicago who went to live in paris.she wanted to publish this in english and spanish.we will talk with her. we will also ask her what shethings about the president of mexico.♪ , every thursday at 7:00p.m. ♪sandra cisneros has a new book. that is why we invited her tothe show. her novel, "the house on mangostreet," is a classic in the united states.her new book is called "martita, i remember you."it is published in english and spanish.sandra lives in san miguel bay and joins us from there.i wanted to begin by asking you about a quote in your booksbiography. it says you earned your livingwith a pen. few writers can say this, right?was it hard work? >> yes.an other, more famous, and better writers than me.and i give thanks daily that life has blessed me this way,that i was this blessed. >> in this book, "martita, iremember you," i wanted to read it first inenglish, because that is your original voice.why did you have the need to publish it in english andspanish? >> because the characters spoketo me in several languages. it includes characters fromdifferent cities and countries throughout the world.but i wrote it so that the reader could understand fromthree characters, but in real life, it came from differenttrips i made. >> when you say differentcharacters spoke to you, it sounds like spiritualism, but iknow it is not what that is. >> no, no, no.the truth is, in one life, how many people share your life,right? you meet so many people, theysay things to you, you are touched by them -- the truth is"martita" is a composite, as they would say in english -- aslice of somebody i met in paris, a bit of someone i met in--milan, someone from sarajevo. "martita" comes from manydifferent women, and they spoke different languages.>> when you had this experience in paris, did you have thisdesire to go to paris to tell your parents, your friends, thatyou were a writer and were in paris?>> i think all writers have that desire, to go to paris and seethe lives that we have seen in films or read about in books.and you do not find literary life but rather in the metro.>> this disillusion you had in paris, did happen in the unitedstates, in chicago and the united states?you told me you did not want to die in the united states, befound by your dog and cats. >> i was afraid my pets wouldeat me, yes. i think, especially now, i feeldisappointed by the united states.and because you believe in the american dream, the idea thatthings will always improve, especially for our people, thatthings are going to be much better, and we have seen adisaster for latinos, especially since the towers fell.so i always felt restless, looking for my place.even though i was raised in the united states, it never feltlike my home until i had to leave and come here to sanmiguel, that is not entirely mexico either.its a tourist area, very cosmopolitan.but i feel it is a country of women, right?and that is what this novel is about.because every woman i met on my trip, it is almost like we werefrom the same country. >> talking about this criticalvision you have towards the united states, when you haveseen from afar what has happened in afghanistan, what lesson doyou learn about the united states, the country where youwere born? what do you see?>> well, i was afraid. i feel like we are experiencingvietnam once again. the truth is i do not know whatto think. i see this with some terror.>> do you feel the united states is, before our eyes, no longerbeing a superpower? >> i do not know if i could saythat. i feel a little guilty, as acitizen of the united states, of the disaster we are leavingbehind. >> you and i have spoken a lotabout mexico, but ive never asked you about politics inmexico and about president lópez obrador.i do not know if you do this out of respect and caution.>> no. no, no.because nobody asks me. >> let me ask you then.what do you think of lópez obrador?what job do you think he is doing as president?>> well, i had a lot of hope when he took office, especiallybecause it would be the first time that i would vote here.and i was going to vote for him. but i was not able to, due tosome complications, i was going to be absent.but you know what? i now think it is a good thing idid not vote for him, because he changed.i know there are a lot of people who still have hope and faith inhim, but i think power has changed him.and now, he has become like a dictator.and like a lot of presidents before him, i am verydisappointed in what has happened.>> do you feel safe? >> no, i had to sell my car.i have the kind of car narcos steal.i had to sell my pickup truck and buy something that is morediscrete. just driving to the airport getsme nervous. forget about traveling at night.>> i wanted to ask you about that.thank you. thank you for being here andthank you for talking about "martita, i remember you.">> thank you. and i hope that immigrants canrecognize themselves when they read this story.>> thank you. when we return, we all knowcoffee is a fundamental part of latino culture.when we return, coffee trends signaling the return of♪ >> it is still august, but itlooks like it is the beginning of autumn now that starbucks isselling its famous pumpkin spice latte.our cesar munoz tells us we have a lot of coffee options.♪ ♪♪ >> says her munoz is with ushere today. thank you for being with us.it is sad news, but this is your last segment, your last show,after four years with us. >> yes, sir, it is a change.>> how did this segment come about?how did this idea to unite politics with music, round?>> i got a call to do an experiment with a show that hadnews and humeor. the show began.i think there was a clip that came from the newscast featuringyou, and when the show ended, we moved and we are here.>> it has been wonderful. >> what is the main challenge ofcombining music with politics? how do you do it?how long does it take? >> the challenge is always tofind out what is the deadline that is worth writing about?writing a song takes an idea and milk it as much as possible.what is the most important, relevant headline is the hottestthing. >> people ask us, do you filmyourself, how do you make the videos?>> yes, yes, that is part of the learning process the camera isin front of me, i record, then i edit immediately.>> and people who appear, are they fellow members?>> yes, they look very much -- family members?>> yes, they look very much like me.>> is there anything -- >> i remember when the pandemicbegan, we were doing sketches with my family.♪ ♪>> so have the kids going to school online.there were about 10 videos that we made about the pandemic.i remember those finally. >> what we appreciate so much isthe enormous talent and how you get these ideas.and i want to repeat, this is your last segment.what are you going to do? how is that decision made?>> it was a very difficult decision, because i love doingthis segment, but ive been working with a platform calledla carta musical. i teach music appreciation.it began as a youtube channel and it kept growing and growingand growing, and i had to make it is difficult decision to takea chance on this project. it is now a channel.it is going to be an educational platform.we will have conferences. >> its called la carta musical?>> la carta musical. >> you say the future digitally.you think that? >> --i think all of that is going to be digital.>> i appreciate the four years you have been with us.they have been extraordinary. we are knowledge your talent andcreativity. weal puntoat univision.com/alpunfollow us on facebook, twitter, and instagram.until next week when, together, we will get to the point, "alpunto." thank you.