Ataques terroristas dejan a miles de muertos en Afganistán. El gobierno de los Estados Unidos aprueba el uso de la vacuna Pfizer. La galardonada novelista, Sandra Cisneros, habla sobre su nuevo libro.
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>> thats get to the point, "al
punto.">> we will not be deterred or
terrorists.>> terrorists leave thousands
dead and afghanistan, includingu.s. military.
the latest on what is happeningin the country.
the government approves thepfizer vaccine against covid
fully.we speak with the president and
ceo of pfizer.there is a new investigation
against the president of elsalvador, accused of negotiating
with three gangs.we speak about what was
discovered.>> i hope immigrants can
recognize themselves in this.>> sandra cisneros is here to
talk about her new book,published in english and
spanish.we begin now.
♪>> lets get to the point, "al
punto," with jorge ramos.>> lets get to the point.
it is 48 hours before the unitedstates is supposed to leave
afghanistan, but the last fewdays have been terrible.
what everyone feared wouldhappen happened.
a terrorist attack at the kabulairport that left dozens dead,
including over 12 u.s. military.pablo has the latest in
washington.>> biden promised vengeance
after the attack in kabul thatkilled at least 12 u.s. soldiers
and 170 afghanis.>> there are two high-profile
isis targets killed pier 1 waswounded.
we know of zero civiliancasualties.
>> two high-profile numbers ofisis-k were killed.
chances of another attack areprobable, but the evacuations
will continue until the lastminute.
>> we will complete the mission.>> they say they will fulfill
bidens orders take as manypeople out as possible.
despite the attack, the whitehouse says biden has not
reconsidered his decision towithdraw from afghanistan.
>> biden will not reconsiderbecause, for him, it is
important to fulfill his missionis the president, the
commander-in-chief, who decidedto leave, and he will complete
this.>> the initial phase of
evacuations was surrounded bychaos.
the final numbers are exceedingwhat was originally estimated.
over 100,000 people have beenevacuated.
nonetheless, any people whohelped the united states will
not be able to leave because ofthe difficulties entailing
arriving at the airport.the taliban have tried multiple
time to disperse the crowd,including smoke grenades gay
people continue arriving to theairport, hoping to leave the
country.>> this will be very difficult
for the united states, helpingits citizens to leave.
they can do so only if they usehelicopters.
>> some say the isis attack ortens -- portends a dangerous
future for afghanistan.others are collaborating with
afghans.>> i think several international
groups will go to afghanistan tofind training and logistical
support care this will become anepicenter of international
terrorism.>> this commander of isis-k gave
an interview days before theattack.
isis-k took responsibility.they were able to enter the
capital despite being mortalenemies with the taliban.
he said that they are able torecruit new members.
and raise money.evacuations will continue until
tuesday, august 31.>> the biden administration has
faced several criticisms for howit has handled the withdrawal
from afghanistan.roger romero was the secretary
of defense and was in the armyin afghanistan.
thank you for being with us.you have said the troop
withdrawal from afghanistan hasbeen catastrophically poor.
where has president biden made amistake?
>> look, it is very easy -- fromthe military psychological point
of view, you can find the exactpoint of failure.
it was when the united states,two months ago, gave the bob
graham -- bagram military baseclose to kabul.
it was our most importantstrategic base in afghanistan,
from every point of view, and wegave it up.
i think the opportunity tohandle the evacuation,
withdrawal, was lost when thatmilitary point was given up.
>> would you have left unitedstates troops in afghanistan for
a few more years?>> look, there are many ways
that the objectives could havebeen fulfilled, to leave
afghanistan stable, to findterrorists, but all of that is
being lost right now.we are in the middle of the
evacuation.we need to recover the
psychological and militaryinitiatives.
for the moment, our enemies arewinning.
>> would you say the unitedstates lost the war in
afghanistan?president biden says two
objectives were accomplished,one, the end of al qaeda,
responsible for the terroristattacks of september 11, and
avoid the taliban organizingattack against us.
was the war lost?>> i will tell you what was
lost.in 18 and a half years, the
taliban were never able to takea single district or city in
afghanistan.when negotiations began in
february of 2020, without thegovernment of afghanistan at the
table, the psychological battlewas lost.
instantly, as soon as thatnegotiation began, everyone
began making their own dealswith the taliban, separately.
that is where the politicalbattle was lost.
afghanistan, in these weeks, wastaken over by barely 25,000
an enormous territory of 39million people.
so i will say absolutely not,that was not a military victory.
they have -- neither have theywon the war, nor have we lost
it.>> you fought in afghanistan in
2002.you have a personal story,
because, on september 11,something happened near your
office.can you explain what happened?
>> the nose of an americanairlines airplane landed -- hit
my new office.>> you are not there?
>> i was saved, as they say incosta rica, where i am from, i
was saved by a tooth.this tooth.
i was at the dentists office.i was at the pentagon at that
corridor when the plane hit.thank god i was saved.
no one in my office was hurt.>> i know this is very personal
for you.then you went to fight in
afghanistan.what did the people who fought
with you in afghanistan say toyou, both americans and afghans?
what do they want from theunited states?
>> what do they want from theunited states?
they want us to be strong.that is what they respect.
that is what the taliban respectto of a want us to be strong.
they want us to pay our debts tothe people who were ready to
give it all.it is our duty to honor that.
i am now with veterans, withretired service members, to try
to evacuate those who helped us.look, there are 250,000 people,
still -- 250,000 people left tobe evacuated, according to
estimates.what we have right now is chaos
at the kabul airport.that is why i say we need to
correct the fatal militaryerror, which was to give up bag
ram.we need to retake that airfield.
it is a military objective.it can be done.
to impose order and return tothe evacuation program.
according to the deal originallymade, that is what needs to be
done.if we do not do that, we will
lose not only afghanistan butour credibility around the
world.>> roger morror, thank you for
being with us.we are joined by congressman
vargas from california.thank you for being with us.
you are in the same clinicalparty as president biden, but
where did president biden makea mistake?
>> it has been a disaster.we have to say the truth.
it has been very difficult foreverybody.
but giving a date, and exactdate when we were leaving, i
think that was the problem.now that we have it, i think we
will meet that deadline, becauseotherwise, i think things could
turn worse.there are many problems we have,
but i think violence willincrease.
the biggest mistake was to saywe will leave by the state and
not be here for that was aproblem.
>> is this a problem withexecution?
do you agree with bidens ideato withdraw the troops but not
how he did it?>> i do not know pete i am of
two minds, to say the truth.one thing that bothered you was
this -- we needed to pay troopsin afghanistan to defend
themselves.they would say, if you do not
pay us, we will not defendourselves.
we did that for 20 years.at the same time, we knew that,
if we were going to leave, theterrorists could return.
that is why i am of two minds.it is -- their own people did
not want to defend themselves.there were more afghan soldiers
in the taliban -- then thetaliban, and they did not want
to defend themselves.it is a difficult situation.
>> one reason we invited you asyou have gone several times to
the kabul airport.is the -- is it safe at this
moment for americans inside theairport, and how can we be sure,
when they are supposedlyprotected either taliban, when
we saw last thursday they wereunable to prevent a terrorist
attack?>> that is very interesting care
that is a very good question.i think that when they are
inside the airport itself, theydo have a way of defending
themselves.the problem is when they leave.
very interesting, right?they are going to have to leave
that place.that airport is very similar to
the one we have here in sandiego.
that is, when you arrive, youcan land -- we call it a
conflict landing.they stay in the airport area,
because once you leave, you areflying over houses.
an airplane can be brought downeasily.
that is the hard part,departing.
there are many taliban defendingnear the airport, so i do not
think we will have too manyproblems.
there will be more conflicts,but the big problem we have is
that they could take down anairplane with hundreds of people
, perhaps with our own marines.that is the problem.
>> congressman vargas, what isthe image of the united states
and joe biden in the world?>> sadly, tarnished.
tarnished.i love him very much.
i approve of what he has done inmany ways.
but here, he has made a mistake.we, as americans, look at.
-- look bad.the exit was poorly planned.
there were a lot of problems.we have evacuated 100,000
people, but we are looking badhere.
>> is it possible the unitedstates is losing its reputation
as the primary military power inthe world?
vietnam was lost, afghanistanwas lost.
>> you could say that.we should also not be fighting
everywhere.there are places where we should
not have a war.why are we going there?
especially afghanistan.we had to go to defeat the
taliban at that moment, becausethey were helping al qaeda.
but we needed to leave 20 yearsago, right?
because we continue paying thesame people who do not want to
defend themselves.for me, that was stupid, that
these people do not want todefend themselves.
so to remain there, 20 years,spend $150 million a year for
themselves to defend themselveswhen they did not want to defend
themselves -->> i will end with this.
are you afraid of anotherterrorist attack against the
united states coming from thatplace?
>> i think things will becomemore dangerous, and i think that
possibility, unfortunately, doesexist.
>> congressman vargas, thank youfor being with us.
>> i am at your disposal.>> later on the program, the ceo
of pfizer comes to "al punto."pfizers vaccine has been
approved fully.also the digital magazine, "el
farro," says nayib unto con jorgthe battle against covid-19.
the united states governmentapproved the pfizer vaccine for
everyone over the age of 16.this means that it is no longer
an experimental vaccine.over 92 million people
vaccinated receive the datareceived the pfizer --
received the pfizer vaccine.to speak about that, we are
joined by the chairman and ceoof pfizer, albert orla -- albert
bourla.>> it is a pleasure to be with
you.>> we had a vaccine approved for
emergency use and now has beenfully approved.
can you talk about the process?how did we get here?
>> it means the gold standard ofthe regulatory agencies has
reviewed all the available data,and they have granted the
approval of this vaccine.the dossier we presented for
approval was 360,000 pages.you can imagine how many people
on our part worked on this.how many people at the agencies
read this to approve it.it was a monumental task.
we are very pleased with theapproval.
>> so, as you know, the questionis can you give us the assurance
that the vaccine people will getis as safe as the one that has
been approved?>> oh, yes.
i think that we knew the vaccinewas safe.
with a high level of confidence.because this is one of the few
medications that has beenadministered to so many people.
it has been given to over onebillion people so far.
hundreds of millions in theunited states.
and we have a very good systemof tracking the security and
safety of our product, so weknew that, yes, it is extremely
safe.>> let me ask you about the
latino community in the unitedstates.
many people are afraid ofgetting vaccinated, not just
yours but all of the vaccines,and latinas are almost two times
as likely to contract covid-19-- latinos are almost two times
as likely to contract covid-19versus those who are not latino.
what can you say specificallyabout your vaccine?
>> i understand their concerns.you cannot convince people just
with data.i think the most important thing
i have found, when i talk aboutthis, with many people, perhaps
the most convincing thing isthat the decision to get
vaccinated does not just affectyou and your health, it will
impact the health of others, andmost likely, it will affect the
health of the people you love,people you are with, the people
with whom you interact.the people you hug, you kiss.
and you should thinkintelligently before making the
decision out of fear for beingvaccinated.
>> let me ask you -- iunderstand there is an agreement
between you and the unitedstates government to provide
vaccines until april of nextyear, but i wanted to ask you
about your philosophy regardingvaccines.
do you think this vaccine shouldbe free forever?
>> i do think that the vaccineshould remain free forever, but
i think -- well, all vaccinesare free of charge in the united
states.any vaccine recommended by the
cdc, not just the covid-19vaccine, but any vaccine is
given without a co-pay.people do not have to pay
anything to get vaccinated.this is because the health
system acknowledges theimportance of vaccination.
when people get vaccinated, weare reducing the health care
costs later on, and the humancosts.
>> comedy lives do you thinkyour vaccines have saved?
>> you known, i think a lot.i heard president biden today
referred to a study from yaleuniversity that said the
vaccines had saved 100,000 livesin the united states so far and
had prevented 500,000hospitalizations, approximately.
if we project this across theworld, we feel proud and humbled
to have been the ones who hadthe opportunity to do all this.
>> thank you so much for beingwith us.
>> thank you.>> when we return, a new
investigation about thepresident of el salvador.
"el faro" said that hisnegotiation -- his
administration negotiated withthree gangs and then hit the
evidence.then my conversation with author
sandra cisneros.we talk about her new novel,
published in english andspanish.
>> we are going to talk about elsalvador and a new report from
the digital newspaper, "el faro."
journalists published an articlesaying the government of nayib
bukele negotiated with the threemain gangs in the country.
the government denies this, but"el faro" says they have
evidence.the founder and editor is with
us to actually what they found.thank you for being on the show.
i want to ask directly what didthe president of el salvador do
with the three main gangs in thecountry?
>> hello, thank you.the prison system allowed gang
members into maximum-securityprisons so they could meet with
other gang members to establishthe basis for negotiation with
the president, nayib bukele.while the president has claimed
that the drop in gang violencehas been due to the work of the
police and the army.before for several months, they
went to the prisons, joined bythe director of the prison
system and other governmentofficials.
members of these gangs andstreet leaders would go there to
meet with the leaders in prisonand transmit messages to the
streets.>> what was negotiated?
what did president bukele want?>> to begin, he wanted a lower
homicide rate.to be frank, for those who have
read the material, we still donot know the final agreement.
but we have different pieces ofthe puzzle.
we know what the gangs askedhere they wanted benefits in
prisons, benefits for theirmembers out on the streets as
well.>> has it been successful?
this negotiation that thegovernment has not acknowledged,
has crime gone down in elsalvador, was it worth it?
>> the reduction in homicides isin excess of 65 percent since
president bukele took office.whether or not it was worth it,
jorge, i think those arepolitical questions or another
type of question, because we aretalking about negotiations done
behind the citizens back,negotiations to achieve a
certain effect before theelections, and whether or not it
was worth it, if we speakstrictly in terms of lives
saved, yes, the reduction inhomicides is drastic.
but i want to remind you thatprevious administrations have
negotiated with these same gangs, homicide rates did drop, but
the long-term consequences havebeen worse, as we have seen.
the bukele administration hasnot acknowledged these
negotiations and what evidencedo you have?
>> we published the firstmaterial almost a year ago.
everyone in the governmentdenied it.
now it is part of these newrevelations in these article.
we were not the only ones behindthis.
the attorney generals officeopened an investigation and
documented this with videos,telephone intercessions, audio,
video.they revealed all this
negotiation.the attorney generals office,
the special unit investigatingthis, was dismantled on may 1.
then u.s. emily took control ofcongress that day, and that day,
they let go of the previousprosecutor who was handling this
investigation, and theydismantled the unit that was
undergoing this investigation.>> very well.
some people fear nayib bukelemay become not just an
authoritarian leader but that hemay want to remain in power
beyond what the constitutionsays.
what is a possibility of thishappening?
>> look, there is already aconstitutional reform proposal.
there was an ad hoc commissionestablished by the president to
analyze the need forconstitutional reforms,
including the extension of thepresidential term but not
reelection yet.there are three central american
countries where presidents havemanipulated the closet to shins
somehow to remain in power.in the -- in the kanagawa,
honduras, costa rica.it was not done via
constitutional reform.it was done by decree in each of
these countries.the supreme court declared this
unconstitutional, allowingreelection to take place.
today, the president of elsalvador controls of government
as well as the police andmilitary.
>> what youre telling me isthat el salvador today is no
longer a democracy?>> jorge, democracy is not just
about the results of anelection.
it resides in institutions, inchecks and balances.
this is what has been dismantled.
the replacement of the assemblywas not done legally.
it was done without theprocedures established by law.
i will go beyond that.there is no access to public
information.the new assembly has been acting
without transparency.we are talking about
institutions that are meant tocounterbalance events and keep
the public informed.>> carlos dada, thank you for
being here.>> thank you.
.>> when we sandra cisneros
wanted to tell the story of awriter from chicago who went to
live in paris.she wanted to publish this in
english and spanish.we will talk with her.
we will also ask her what shethings about the president of
, every thursday at 7:00p.m.
♪sandra cisneros has a new book.
that is why we invited her tothe show.
her novel, "the house on mangostreet," is a classic in the
united states.her new book is called "martita,
i remember you."it is published in english and
spanish.sandra lives in san miguel bay
and joins us from there.i wanted to begin by asking you
about a quote in your booksbiography.
it says you earned your livingwith a pen.
few writers can say this, right?was it hard work?
>> yes.an other, more famous, and
better writers than me.and i give thanks daily that
life has blessed me this way,that i was this blessed.
>> in this book, "martita, iremember you,"
i wanted to read it first inenglish, because that is your
original voice.why did you have the need to
publish it in english andspanish?
>> because the characters spoketo me in several languages.
it includes characters fromdifferent cities and countries
throughout the world.but i wrote it so that the
reader could understand fromthree characters, but in real
life, it came from differenttrips i made.
>> when you say differentcharacters spoke to you, it
sounds like spiritualism, but iknow it is not what that is.
>> no, no, no.the truth is, in one life, how
many people share your life,right?
you meet so many people, theysay things to you, you are
touched by them -- the truth is"martita" is a composite, as
they would say in english -- aslice of somebody i met in
paris, a bit of someone i met in--milan, someone from sarajevo.
"martita" comes from manydifferent women, and they spoke
different languages.>> when you had this experience
in paris, did you have thisdesire to go to paris to tell
your parents, your friends, thatyou were a writer and were in
paris?>> i think all writers have that
desire, to go to paris and seethe lives that we have seen in
films or read about in books.and you do not find literary
life but rather in the metro.>> this disillusion you had in
paris, did happen in the unitedstates, in chicago and the
united states?you told me you did not want to
die in the united states, befound by your dog and cats.
>> i was afraid my pets wouldeat me, yes.
i think, especially now, i feeldisappointed by the united
states.and because you believe in the
american dream, the idea thatthings will always improve,
especially for our people, thatthings are going to be much
better, and we have seen adisaster for latinos, especially
since the towers fell.so i always felt restless,
looking for my place.even though i was raised in the
united states, it never feltlike my home until i had to
leave and come here to sanmiguel, that is not entirely
mexico either.its a tourist area, very
cosmopolitan.but i feel it is a country of
women, right?and that is what this novel is
about.because every woman i met on my
trip, it is almost like we werefrom the same country.
>> talking about this criticalvision you have towards the
united states, when you haveseen from afar what has happened
in afghanistan, what lesson doyou learn about the united
states, the country where youwere born?
what do you see?>> well, i was afraid.
i feel like we are experiencingvietnam once again.
the truth is i do not know whatto think.
i see this with some terror.>> do you feel the united states
is, before our eyes, no longerbeing a superpower?
>> i do not know if i could saythat.
i feel a little guilty, as acitizen of the united states, of
the disaster we are leavingbehind.
>> you and i have spoken a lotabout mexico, but ive never
asked you about politics inmexico and about president lópez
obrador.i do not know if you do this out
of respect and caution.>> no.
no, no.because nobody asks me.
>> let me ask you then.what do you think of lópez
obrador?what job do you think he is
doing as president?>> well, i had a lot of hope
when he took office, especiallybecause it would be the first
time that i would vote here.and i was going to vote for him.
but i was not able to, due tosome complications, i was going
to be absent.but you know what?
i now think it is a good thing idid not vote for him, because he
changed.i know there are a lot of people
who still have hope and faith inhim, but i think power has
changed him.and now, he has become like a
dictator.and like a lot of presidents
before him, i am verydisappointed in what has
happened.>> do you feel safe?
>> no, i had to sell my car.i have the kind of car narcos
steal.i had to sell my pickup truck
and buy something that is morediscrete.
just driving to the airport getsme nervous.
forget about traveling at night.>> i wanted to ask you about
thank you for being here andthank you for talking about
"martita, i remember you.">> thank you.
and i hope that immigrants canrecognize themselves when they
read this story.>> thank you.
when we return, we all knowcoffee is a fundamental part of
latino culture.when we return, coffee trends
signaling the return of♪
>> it is still august, but itlooks like it is the beginning
of autumn now that starbucks isselling its famous pumpkin spice
latte.our cesar munoz tells us we have
a lot of coffee options.♪
>> says her munoz is with ushere today.
thank you for being with us.it is sad news, but this is your
last segment, your last show,after four years with us.
>> yes, sir, it is a change.>> how did this segment come
about?how did this idea to unite
politics with music, round?>> i got a call to do an
experiment with a show that hadnews and humeor.
the show began.i think there was a clip that
came from the newscast featuringyou, and when the show ended, we
moved and we are here.>> it has been wonderful.
>> what is the main challenge ofcombining music with politics?
how do you do it?how long does it take?
>> the challenge is always tofind out what is the deadline
that is worth writing about?writing a song takes an idea and
milk it as much as possible.what is the most important,
relevant headline is the hottestthing.
>> people ask us, do you filmyourself, how do you make the
videos?>> yes, yes, that is part of the
learning process the camera isin front of me, i record, then i
edit immediately.>> and people who appear, are
they fellow members?>> yes, they look very much --
family members?>> yes, they look very much like
me.>> is there anything --
>> i remember when the pandemicbegan, we were doing sketches
with my family.♪
♪>> so have the kids going to
school online.there were about 10 videos that
we made about the pandemic.i remember those finally.
>> what we appreciate so much isthe enormous talent and how you
get these ideas.and i want to repeat, this is
your last segment.what are you going to do?
how is that decision made?>> it was a very difficult
decision, because i love doingthis segment, but ive been
working with a platform calledla carta musical.
i teach music appreciation.it began as a youtube channel
and it kept growing and growingand growing, and i had to make
it is difficult decision to takea chance on this project.
it is now a channel.it is going to be an educational
platform.we will have conferences.
>> its called la carta musical?>> la carta musical.
>> you say the future digitally.you think that?
>> --i think all of that is going to
be digital.>> i appreciate the four years
you have been with us.they have been extraordinary.
we are knowledge your talent andcreativity.
weal puntoat univision.com/alpunfollow us on facebook, twitter,
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we will get to the point, "alpunto."