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Al Punto con Jorge Ramos - 26 de septiembre, 2021

El actor Jimmy Jean Louis habla de los problemas que sufren los haitianos al intentar cruzar la frontera. López Obrador es fuertemente criticado por defender al gobernador de Cuba, Miguel Diaz-Canel.
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to con jorge ramos"al punto." >> our path here is not easy.>> border patrol on horseback threatening haitian immigrants.haitians are deported without a chance of asylum or a hearing.we are joined by congresspeople. we will also hear about what ittakes for haitians to come to the united states.the attempts to legalize millions of undocumentedimmigrants failed. we talk to activists.the president is now inviting who many consider to be adictator. we will debate the issue.also, the terrible eruption of a volcano.our meteorologist explains what happens if the law makes it tothe ocean. >> what a lovely little dog.>> and we met her as maria on "sesame street."she played the role for 44 years and now she has a new challengealso involving children. we begin now.♪ >> lets get to the point."al punto" with jorge ramos. >> lets get to the point.we begin the show with images described as terrible andshameful. these are border patrol agentson horseback threatening haitian immigrants on u.s. soil.this happened near the del rio port of entry in texas wherethere were up to 15,000 haitian immigrants gathered.many have been deported to haiti, generating criticism tothe biden administration for not giving those immigrants theopportunity to request for legal asylum.we are joined by two congresspeople, democrat andrepublican. thank you for being here.we begin with these images. when you saw these images ofborder patrol agents on horseback, what was yourreaction? >> the first reaction i had wasthat this was a shame that it is happening in the united states,but also thinking of border patrol, which has beenoverwhelmed with what is happening the last severalmonths. also thinking of the politicalcost in this country, getting with the democrats and withother members of the political parties in this country.they do not know what they will do about immigration.that is the big problem with the political process in thiscountry. what happened with immigration.it is why i shared with you that there needs to be an immigrationreform bill. my bill is called the dignity,to give people the dignity in the united states to people likehaitians requesting asylum. in the end, the problem for thebiden administration is this has gotten out of control, both interms of immigration and the southern border.>> is it president bidens fault?president biden said there will be -- but is it his fault?>> it is his fault and the fault of everyone in thisadministration, particularly the vice president who was named theczar of the immigration problem. the problem is the vicepresident does not want to get involved with immigration.neither does president biden. at the same time, our communityis suffering. the poor haitians who wanted tocome and have the same privilege that other central americans hadthe previous month did not get that.this is a big problem. it is not just centered on whathappened in del rio with our haitian brethren, but the entireworld has this problem. >> very well.congressperson, you and i have talked about undocumentedimmigration in the united states for many years.president reagan has deported -- president biden has deportedmore people in a few months then president trump.all presidents have tried but no one has succeeded.you have an idea. dignity, how does it work?>> the dignity plan would give parties the political class --give both parties the political class to get people five yearswho do not have criminal records, who have children, whoare paying taxes, who are living in the darkness.they do not live with dignity. with our plan, we want to givefor 10 years the possibility that these people have thedignity and the opportunity to give economic opportunity tothem and their family. if 11 years later they decide tobecome americans, and we know not everyone wants to become acitizen, then they can enter the we demonstrate stage.right now, anyone who is hearing, anybody who wants tocome out of darkness and not be afraid of being deported, thisis a plan that gives them the opportunity to live like this.republicans, i am convincing them.now i just need democrats to be on my side.because unfortunately we know the democratic party has alwayspromised they are going to give a path to citizenship toimmigrants, dreamers, daca, no more.we all need to sit around the table, come to an agreement, andget dignity to our people. >> congresswoman, manyrepublicans want nothing to do with the immigration issue.the dignity plan, legalization, nothing.meanwhile, the border between mexico and the united states,something they want to cure before anything else happens.how will you convince them? >> they know full well as wellas democrats that the border needs to be secured.no country can have an open border because that is howdrugs, criminals, weapons, all of that stuff we do not wantcoming incomes in. we know we need to have a secureborder and people coming into the country right now.they are entering in a clandestine manner and they wantto be able to enter with dignity.so weve got to increase the quotas of visas for people whowant to come to work but also the people who are here.i am worried about people like the dreamers, people withdarker, but what happens to their parents, to people who arenot dreamers, who are not daca, who are not here with tps andhave been here for 20 years with darkness.-- darkness? we have to get help to all ofthem. i want to see what the democratswill do. the truth is that in presidentbidens bill, even nancy pelosi has not tried bringing this upto a vote. why?they know they do not have the votes.it upsets me that they say they are the party that wants to helpour latin american brethren, the undocumented people.but really, they are just political ponds and no more.>> congresswoman, thank you for being here.>> thanks to you. >> now the other point of view.the democrats have also criticized president bidensresponse on the border. congressman adriano espaillat ishere with us now. thank you for being on theprogram. i want to begin with the imageof the border patrol agents threatening haitian immigrants.many people might think this happened under the donald trumpadministration but it happened under the biden administration.how do you explain these images? >> they are very difficult tosee and we judge that kind of treatment.we are asking that the director of the border patrol reevaluate-- has his job and behavior reevaluated.because these scenes for many of us in congress are unacceptable.>> would you say that these actions were racist againsthaitian immigrants? >> there are tendencies towardracism, yes. but these actions wereaggressive, violent. it is a border where we need totreat every person because many of the haitians have tps.every case needs to be evaluated when they enter the country.>> but that has not been the case.thousands of haitians have been deported to their country, manyof whom dont recognize their country anymore because theyspent years in central and south america.what should be done? do you think the biden wrong indeporting them? >> yes, i think theadministration was wrong in deporting them, like i said.a month or two ago, the president gave tps status tosome haitians because of the assassination of the haitianpresident, the climate crisis, the earthquake.i think it needs to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.it is the way to proceed. >> in an interview withpresident biden when he was a candidate, he told me that themassive deportations under president obama was a bigmistake, and now we are seeing he is deporting more people thanpresident donald trump. what do you think should be doneto these undocumented immigrants?should they have the opportunity to remain here?>> yes. it is a big mistake to deportthem. america continues to be acountry of opportunities and people will come to the border.many times they are fleeing violence, death, or a naturaldisaster. they should at the very leasthave the opportunity to present their case to the americangovernment so that they can be evaluated and determine whetherthey should remain or not in the united states.that is what the united states for many years has tried to do.>> i will end with this, congressman.if you are being heard, and certainly at this point you arebeing heard in central america and southern mexico,many feel like they can come to the united states because theborder is open. >> the border is not open.i think we need to find a solution to the problems inthose countries, the roots of those problems.jorge, i believ the main solution is the creation of jobsin those countries. we need to incentivize americaninvestment and the development of employment in thosecountries. nobody wants to leave their homecountries unless they are avoiding violence, death, anatural disaster. or hunger.the united states needs to play a central role in determiningwhat are the reasons these people are coming to the border.>> that is a long-term solution, but at a short-term, how shouldthings be handled? >> i think that it is not aninfinite number. each one of the 15,000 casesshould be processed to see who meets thecondition to remain in the united states and who doesnt.>> congressman, thank you for being on the show with us.>> thank you. >> the latest process on theborder is centered on haitian immigrants, most of whom are nolonger under a bridge. thousands have come to theunited states after having many years in other countries, butthere are many things we do not know about that.that is why this week i spoke with actor, activist, aninvestor to haiti jimmy. thank you for being here withus. when you saw the border patrolagents in del rio, texas, mounted on horseback, pushinghaitian immigrants, what did you think?>> for me, it was terrible. i could not believe what i wasseeing. for me, these were like imagesout of a movie. it could not be.not in 2021. this is terrible.seeing that humans can do these kinds of things.>> do you think that haitian immigrants were treated in adifferent way from immigrants in central america or southamerica? >> they were probably.it was probably harder for them. because they are black.there is a racial problem as well.>> haitians coming to the united states, many people might thinkthey are coming directly from haiti, but that is not the case.many have spent years in latin america.how did you arrive in the united states through mexico?>> it was a very long path for them.first, they went to brazil and then chile.from there, they had to cross about 10 different countries toarrive in mexico. and wait to come to america.they couldnt come to america. that is why there are so manyhaitians there. >> finally, if they are deportedas president biden has threatened to do, when thesehaitians return to haiti, what will they find?>> nothing. absolutely nothing.because right now, the country is in a bad state.they cannot accept these people right now.so i dont know why they are doing it.>> jimmy, thank you very much for speaking with us.>> thank you. >> when we return, the plan tolegalize millions upon document immigrants failed.we will find out what happened. also, why president andresmanuel lopez obrador invited miguel diaz-canel to mexico.how will this affect relations with the united states?we will debate the topic. lets get to t>> there is a big obstacle when it comes to immigration reform.democrats want to include immigration reform aspart of reconciliation, but this -- the senateparliamentarians have said no it cannot be so.i am joined by two dreamers who have worked for this for years.the copresident of community change, lorena, and theexecutive director of united way dream.thank you to both of you. lets begin with the most basic.many people said that when millions would be legalized,this is very different. could you explain in simpleterms what the original plan was?>> the original plan needs to go to congress and to go to thepresident for his signature, but it is through a budgetreconciliation that only requires 50 votes to make a lawin the senate. we have 50 democrats in thesenate. this process also requires theso-called approval of someone who works in the senate namedthe senate parliamentarian. so what happened a week ago isthe democrats presented their arguments as did the republicans, and then she gave her opinion over whether or not this couldbe done through this process. from the very beginning, we saidwe will forget about an all or nothing approach.that does not benefit us. we will present a proposal forthe dream act, for farmworkers, for tps holders, and essentialworkers because the fiscal impact of legalizing thiscommunity is greater then changing public policy.that is how we have been advancing this strategy.>> very well. greisa, thinking about thesenate parliamentarian, she was not democratically elected.she was designated by the senate.why does one person, a senate parliamentarian, have somuch power? why does one person able to ruinall this work? >> as you said, the centerparliamentarian is just an advisor for the senate.she works at the pleasure of senator schumer.she has all this power at the moment because republicans havesaid they will not do anything to help the undocumented peoplein this country. so as lorella said, it needs tobe done in another way. what we are seeing clearly isthe senate majority leader, chuck schumer, president biden,and vice president harris have the political power.they have the economic power. and more than 70% of voters inthis country are with doing everything possible to approvecitizenship for millions of people.right now, there is no excuse. they cant blame theparliamentarian. the parliamentarian works forthem. she has to do what they decideto do. >> very well.we are in a situation now that there is a lot of pessimism.people thought this might work and it did not work.help me to understand. the parliamentarian does notwant this. if there are not 60 votes in thesenate, what happens next? what is the next step?>> it is important to point out this is the beginning of theprocess. the senators have come together.the white house said this is just the beginning of theprocess. they will take a second argumentto the parliamentarian. it is important to understandbiden and the democrats do not have the luxury to simply hidebehind a decision made by a senate employee who was notelected, as greisa said. to simply say they tried is nolonger enough because they have a majority and they have it inlarge part because of the work we have done to elect them.so what does this mean? what are our options at thismoment? democrats will continue going inthe next phase and argue in front of the parliamentarianonce again and say this has a fiscal impact.they will have to change their strategy a little bit in termsof what populations they are arguing for, how many people, apath to citizenship, or something different that willdevelop in the next few days. two, if she continues to denythis, democrats have the ability to ignore her decision.her decision is simply a recommendation for the majority.it does not tie their hands. >> can they do that?can they ignore her and say thank you but no thank you?>> they can say, we have 50 votes.with 50 votes plus the vote from vice president kamala harris,they are able to overrule her recommendation and legalizemillions of people. they will say it cannot be done,but i think it is a question of values.>> you dreamers have been told no many times.what are you asking president biden to do?what can president biden do? >> he has promised many thingsand has not fulfilled those promises for many.>> we would like her my president biden that he won thepresidency because of millions of people, latinos, blackpeople, many people in this country went out to vote notjust for him, but for an agenda that would give citizenship tomillions of people. making sure there is more moneyfor people who are working right now.so, look, jorge i know you and i, have been fighting thisbattle -- jorge, i know you and i have been fighting this battleand people watching this show know we have been fighting forthis for 35 years. we have been waiting since 2010when the dream act failed for democrats.calling the white house, the senate, and the house ofrepresentatives. they have the power now.there is no excuse not for them to make good on their promises.the undocumented young people in united way dream i willing toput pressure on them to the very last minute to full --fulfill their promises. >> last time you were optimisticand i imagine this time the situation has changed.>> the situation has changed, but not the optimism.we understood from the very beginning this is just a firststep of the process. we will present our argumentsonce again and keep making sure democrats do not just makepromises, but that they use all of their power to legalize thelargest number of people possible.so this chapter in our history and the history of this movementhas not ended this year. we continue pushing.-- pushing for other communities who want to change the future ofthis country. so with the power of thismovement, we continue forward with hope and with courage.>> i know you are fighting for millions of people.you are in contact with congresspeople.good luck. the future of many peopledepends on you. >> thank you.>> when we return, the controversy after mexicanpresident andres manuel lopez obrador invites migueldiaz-canel. many people consider him adictator. what does mexico gain or losethrough this invitation? "sesame street" sonia manzanocomes♪ >> a few days ago, during thecelebration of mexicos independence, andres manuellopez obrador invited to mexico miguel diaz-canel.many people consider him a dictator.lopez obrador asked for an end to the embargo to cuba, but notan end to the dictatorship. people have said this was lopezobradors coming out of the closet as a communistsympathizer. we are joined by two experts.thank you very much for being here.antonio, let me begin with you. what invite a dictator tomexico? >> well, the context in whichthis happens is not just the speech that miguel diaz-canelgives on mexicos independence day, but also because it is partof the sixth summit of central america and caribbean statesafter several years of not having a summit.and perhaps the question of whether or not the cubanpresident is a dictator falls in other context.why? because andres manuel lopezobrador, the president pro tem of this organization,provides the opportunity for the heads of state to participateand give different opinions, whether or not he is a dictator.it is up to different people to decide.but it is too much to ask that the host of the summitdenounce, particularly when we think about foreign policy.it would be politically rude to make such a declaration.>> according to antonio, we are not necessarily talking about adictator. you were born in cuba.>> thank you for the opportunity to be here.responding to our colleague, we are not just talking aboutwhether or not he is a dictator because the facts -- look, howdid miguel diaz-canel get to power?who lost the election? having elections is not enoughto be democratic. north korea has elections.it is not democratic. who lost the election whenmiguel diaz-canel won? >> there is censorship.are these not the characteristics of adictatorship? >> yes, perhaps.i am not going to give it the vulgarity to argue politics withfelix, but perhaps cuba putting this into context.the many human rights violations, which are public,could be compared to other countries.when we talk about democracy in latin america, it seems the onlyattention noticed by the media is cuba, nicaragua, andvenezuela. for context, last year, columbiawas declared as the worst country for human rights.to put things into context, perhaps it might be worthconsidering the same elements that are applied to one cuba ina broader -- to cuba in a broader perspective that lopezobrador convened to discuss whether or not that is the onlyexpression of violation of human rights in the region.i dont think it is. >> amnesty international, whichit has a serious report against columbia, but i want to remindpeople that amnesty international has beenprohibited from visiting cuba in 2009, and the regime forbids anyhuman rights observer to enter cuba to document these cases.the few cases that we know about in cuba, and does not mean thereis only a few. there are just a few that areknown about among people in exile and from dissidents whoare on the island. so i think to talk about cubaand use these standards is not objective.cuba is a country that does not allow national observers toanalyze human rights. >> i want to ask you about whatpresident lopez obrador said about cuban exiles.he said the government should be put aside and there are newcircumstances. you spoke with representative threpresentative -- with the representative.>> yes, that is correct. we cannot confuse the victimswith the victimizers, those oppressing and those who givethe orders like miguel diaz-canel did.yes, the cuban exile does not have resentment, does not havehatred. what they have is pain.they want the world to condemn diaz-canel.>> mexican president lopez obrador has asked an end to theembargo. why doesnt he ask fred and tothe dictatorship? >> is -- why doesnt he ask foran end to the dictatorship? >> it is not right for me tocomment on the political situation in cuba because ithink they have the right to give opinions.it is their right to denounce what they think is unjust.the summit convened 33 liters last week.brazil was absent. perhaps the chileanrepresentative was not up to the task, but we had heads of statewho were discussing a multilateral agenda.i will give an example. we cannot suppose that kofiannan, the u.n. secretary general and 2009, would condemn-- in 2009, would condemn the death of moammar qaddafi thefirst time he joined the assembly.these are spaces that allow reactions within the state.that is something that affects cubans.of course, the cuban constitution does not establishthe existence or possibility of political parties.i think felix has a legitimate claim.>> i think this goes beyond political parties.in cuba, all kinds of organizations and foundationthat goes against the interest of the communist party areforbidden. >> felix, antonio, thank youboth for being here. thanks for this conversation,this debate. it was very civilized.>> thank you very much. >> we met her as maria on"sesame street." she tells us what she haslearned from children in the last 40 years and about her newobject and the beautiful and instructive images --destructive images of a volcano eruption.jorge ramos♪ >> this is part of the newprogram called "almas way." the central character is apuerto rican girl from the bronx, new york.she is the lead character of a show created by sonia manzano.if her name sounds familiar, it is because she is one of thefirst latina characters in american television.she played maria for years on "sesame street."at the beginning of hispanic heritage month, we invitedher to talk about her project and what she learned fromchildren over four decades. thank you for being here.many of us know you said we as maria after 44 years of playingmaria on "sesame street." tell us that story.how did a girl from the bronx come to be one of the best-knowntelevision figures for children all over the country and theworld? >> thank you.it was an incredible story. i was raised in the south bronx.i watched a lot of television my whole life i never saw anybodywho looks like me or lived in a neighborhood like mine.so i thought what i did not see myself reflected in televisionthat we did not exist. i did not think i wouldcontribute toward a society that did not see me.so when i got the opportunity to play maria on "sesame street," ifelt very proud. i did not understand that theshow would last so many years and that we would have theimpact that "sesame street" continues having.but it was a wonderful life. and now i am on something else.>> i want to ask you about this other thing.i will ask you about alma's way " in a bit but i wanted you tohelp me reflect on this. for 44 years, you were on"sesame street" playing maria. you said you did something thathas really been done on american television, which has agedproperly. >> yes.yes. on "sesame street," they showedreal people. the producer said, in real life,people age. i continued on-screen at everyage. it is incredible that i can seemyself on youtube, for instance, in my 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, inmy 60s all in the same day. >> now you have reinventedyourself. what you are doing now isperhaps difficult because in television, and you and i bothknow this particularly well, you have an image.sometimes to break with that image can be difficult, but youare doing a new project called alma's way."what is that about? >> this is not my idea becauseafter "sesame street," i was no longer interested in doingchildrens television. but pbs, the pbs team asked meto create a show about a latin family and being a puerto ricanfrom the bronx, i set the family in the bronx.but i was in charge of the method of the show.i know a lot of children dont like school because they have tomemorize things and they felt they were done.i thought we need to show children that all of us have amind. so in one episode when alma getsinto problems or is it a problematic situation, she has aballoon come up over her head and we see her thought processso that children can see that all of us have a mind.>> tell me how you get from "sesame street" to alma's way."how have challenges for children changed?a few decades ago, we discussed mental health among children andnow we talk about it a lot. what challenge does the childface in 2021 that they did not face before?>> i think that children have not changed, but what haschanged is what adults expect from children.someone told me the other day that her daughter inkindergarten had to be taking classes in front of zoom foreight hours a day. imagine a five-year-old girl.that is a very large expectation of a child.we also want children to learn things at the exact same time asanother child. we dont allow children to learnthings at their own pace. we expect too much from them.and i hope that alma's way" will give them the tools to dealwith the problems and the expectations we have of them.>> if someone understands children, it is you.when children have the option to stay-at-home and do schoolthrough a computer online or attend school in person but riskcontagion despite using a face mask, what do children say?what do they prefer? what is better for them?>> i see on television that children get very happy whenthey are around other children. even with masks, and does notseem like they care much. children can get used to thingsvery easily. i think it is probably betterfor them to be in a class. >> thank you for being here withus. i appreciate it.>> thanks to you. >> when we return, thespectacular and destructive eruption of a volcano on theisland of la palma in spain and why scientists were able topredict with a lot of certainty what would hap♪ >> we are going to see some ofthe images of the damage caused by the direction of a volcano onthe island of la palma in spain. the lava destroyed everything inits path and forced people to leave their homes, butthey were able to avoid any deaths.the images are both spectacular and terrible.now univision meteorologist albert martinez tells us what ishappening. albert.>> good morning, jorge. it had been 50 years since thisvolcano last erupted. when it has erupted, it haslasted for weeks. we will see these images for along time, that lava has been destroying everything in itspath. take a look.the volcanic activity around the world, even in the arctic wehave active volcanoes. the world has plate tectonics.there is a lot of activity like what we see in central america.it is where these plates meet that mac map can escape and --magma cant escape and produce volcanic eruptions.we can see a volcano erupt like in the canary islands.the most important parts are the cone, right here.we have the crater. but sometimes lava can come outof the side. where is this lava?it is underground. it then comes out through theseconduits to the surface. it does so over 1000 degrees.sulfur dioxide comes out. when mixed with water, it canproduce acid rain. this lava can make its way tothe water when the 1000 degrees lava touches the water, thereaction can be catastrophic. you cannot control the lava anyway. it was tried in 1935 in hawaii.they tried doing so by launching bombs.it did not work. there was an attempt in the1970s to reduce the temperature ofyou can also follow us onfacebook, instagram, and twitter.until next week went together we get to the point, "al punto."thank you. ♪