El actor Jimmy Jean Louis habla de los problemas que sufren los haitianos al intentar cruzar la frontera. López Obrador es fuertemente criticado por defender al gobernador de Cuba, Miguel Diaz-Canel.
27 Sep 2021 – 12:00 AM EDT
to con jorge ramos"al punto."
>> our path here is not easy.>> border patrol on horseback
threatening haitian immigrants.haitians are deported without a
chance of asylum or a hearing.we are joined by congresspeople.
we will also hear about what ittakes for haitians to come to
the united states.the attempts to legalize
millions of undocumentedimmigrants failed.
we talk to activists.the president is now inviting
who many consider to be adictator.
we will debate the issue.also, the terrible eruption of a
volcano.our meteorologist explains what
happens if the law makes it tothe ocean.
>> what a lovely little dog.>> and we met her as maria on
"sesame street."she played the role for 44 years
and now she has a new challengealso involving children.
we begin now.♪
>> lets get to the point."al punto" with jorge ramos.
>> lets get to the point.we begin the show with images
described as terrible andshameful.
these are border patrol agentson horseback threatening haitian
immigrants on u.s. soil.this happened near the del rio
port of entry in texas wherethere were up to 15,000 haitian
immigrants gathered.many have been deported to
haiti, generating criticism tothe biden administration for not
giving those immigrants theopportunity to request for legal
asylum.we are joined by two
congresspeople, democrat andrepublican.
thank you for being here.we begin with these images.
when you saw these images ofborder patrol agents on
horseback, what was yourreaction?
>> the first reaction i had wasthat this was a shame that it is
happening in the united states,but also thinking of border
patrol, which has beenoverwhelmed with what is
happening the last severalmonths.
also thinking of the politicalcost in this country, getting
with the democrats and withother members of the political
parties in this country.they do not know what they will
do about immigration.that is the big problem with the
political process in thiscountry.
what happened with immigration.it is why i shared with you that
there needs to be an immigrationreform bill.
my bill is called the dignity,to give people the dignity in
the united states to people likehaitians requesting asylum.
in the end, the problem for thebiden administration is this has
gotten out of control, both interms of immigration and the
southern border.>> is it president bidens
fault?president biden said there will
be -- but is it his fault?>> it is his fault and the fault
of everyone in thisadministration, particularly the
vice president who was named theczar of the immigration problem.
the problem is the vicepresident does not want to get
involved with immigration.neither does president biden.
at the same time, our communityis suffering.
the poor haitians who wanted tocome and have the same privilege
that other central americans hadthe previous month did not get
that.this is a big problem.
it is not just centered on whathappened in del rio with our
haitian brethren, but the entireworld has this problem.
>> very well.congressperson, you and i have
talked about undocumentedimmigration in the united states
for many years.president reagan has deported --
president biden has deportedmore people in a few months then
president trump.all presidents have tried but no
one has succeeded.you have an idea.
dignity, how does it work?>> the dignity plan would give
parties the political class --give both parties the political
class to get people five yearswho do not have criminal
records, who have children, whoare paying taxes, who are living
in the darkness.they do not live with dignity.
with our plan, we want to givefor 10 years the possibility
that these people have thedignity and the opportunity to
give economic opportunity tothem and their family.
if 11 years later they decide tobecome americans, and we know
not everyone wants to become acitizen, then they can enter the
we demonstrate stage.right now, anyone who is
hearing, anybody who wants tocome out of darkness and not be
afraid of being deported, thisis a plan that gives them the
opportunity to live like this.republicans, i am convincing
them.now i just need democrats to be
on my side.because unfortunately we know
the democratic party has alwayspromised they are going to give
a path to citizenship toimmigrants, dreamers, daca, no
more.we all need to sit around the
table, come to an agreement, andget dignity to our people.
>> congresswoman, manyrepublicans want nothing to do
with the immigration issue.the dignity plan, legalization,
nothing.meanwhile, the border between
mexico and the united states,something they want to cure
before anything else happens.how will you convince them?
>> they know full well as wellas democrats that the border
needs to be secured.no country can have an open
border because that is howdrugs, criminals, weapons, all
of that stuff we do not wantcoming incomes in.
we know we need to have a secureborder and people coming into
the country right now.they are entering in a
clandestine manner and they wantto be able to enter with
dignity.so weve got to increase the
quotas of visas for people whowant to come to work but also
the people who are here.i am worried about people like
the dreamers, people withdarker, but what happens to
their parents, to people who arenot dreamers, who are not daca,
who are not here with tps andhave been here for 20 years with
we have to get help to all ofthem.
i want to see what the democratswill do.
the truth is that in presidentbidens bill, even nancy pelosi
has not tried bringing this upto a vote.
why?they know they do not have the
votes.it upsets me that they say they
are the party that wants to helpour latin american brethren, the
undocumented people.but really, they are just
political ponds and no more.>> congresswoman, thank you for
being here.>> thanks to you.
>> now the other point of view.the democrats have also
criticized president bidensresponse on the border.
congressman adriano espaillat ishere with us now.
thank you for being on theprogram.
i want to begin with the imageof the border patrol agents
threatening haitian immigrants.many people might think this
happened under the donald trumpadministration but it happened
under the biden administration.how do you explain these images?
>> they are very difficult tosee and we judge that kind of
treatment.we are asking that the director
of the border patrol reevaluate-- has his job and behavior
reevaluated.because these scenes for many of
us in congress are unacceptable.>> would you say that these
actions were racist againsthaitian immigrants?
>> there are tendencies towardracism, yes.
but these actions wereaggressive, violent.
it is a border where we need totreat every person because many
of the haitians have tps.every case needs to be evaluated
when they enter the country.>> but that has not been the
case.thousands of haitians have been
deported to their country, manyof whom dont recognize their
country anymore because theyspent years in central and south
america.what should be done?
do you think the biden wrong indeporting them?
>> yes, i think theadministration was wrong in
deporting them, like i said.a month or two ago, the
president gave tps status tosome haitians because of the
assassination of the haitianpresident, the climate crisis,
the earthquake.i think it needs to be evaluated
on a case-by-case basis.it is the way to proceed.
>> in an interview withpresident biden when he was a
candidate, he told me that themassive deportations under
president obama was a bigmistake, and now we are seeing
he is deporting more people thanpresident donald trump.
what do you think should be doneto these undocumented
immigrants?should they have the opportunity
to remain here?>> yes.
it is a big mistake to deportthem.
america continues to be acountry of opportunities and
people will come to the border.many times they are fleeing
violence, death, or a naturaldisaster.
they should at the very leasthave the opportunity to present
their case to the americangovernment so that they can be
evaluated and determine whetherthey should remain or not in the
united states.that is what the united states
for many years has tried to do.>> i will end with this,
congressman.if you are being heard, and
certainly at this point you arebeing heard in central
america and southern mexico,many feel like they can come to
the united states because theborder is open.
>> the border is not open.i think we need to find a
solution to the problems inthose countries, the roots of
those problems.jorge, i believ the main
solution is the creation of jobsin those countries.
we need to incentivize americaninvestment and the development
of employment in thosecountries.
nobody wants to leave their homecountries unless they are
avoiding violence, death, anatural disaster.
or hunger.the united states needs to play
a central role in determiningwhat are the reasons these
people are coming to the border.>> that is a long-term solution,
but at a short-term, how shouldthings be handled?
>> i think that it is not aninfinite number.
each one of the 15,000 casesshould be processed to see who
meets thecondition to remain in the
united states and who doesnt.>> congressman, thank you for
being on the show with us.>> thank you.
>> the latest process on theborder is centered on haitian
immigrants, most of whom are nolonger under a bridge.
thousands have come to theunited states after having many
years in other countries, butthere are many things we do not
know about that.that is why this week i spoke
with actor, activist, aninvestor to haiti jimmy.
thank you for being here withus.
when you saw the border patrolagents in del rio, texas,
mounted on horseback, pushinghaitian immigrants, what did you
think?>> for me, it was terrible.
i could not believe what i wasseeing.
for me, these were like imagesout of a movie.
it could not be.not in 2021.
this is terrible.seeing that humans can do these
kinds of things.>> do you think that haitian
immigrants were treated in adifferent way from immigrants in
central america or southamerica?
>> they were probably.it was probably harder for them.
because they are black.there is a racial problem as
well.>> haitians coming to the united
states, many people might thinkthey are coming directly from
haiti, but that is not the case.many have spent years in latin
america.how did you arrive in the united
states through mexico?>> it was a very long path for
them.first, they went to brazil and
then chile.from there, they had to cross
about 10 different countries toarrive in mexico.
and wait to come to america.they couldnt come to america.
that is why there are so manyhaitians there.
>> finally, if they are deportedas president biden has
threatened to do, when thesehaitians return to haiti, what
will they find?>> nothing.
absolutely nothing.because right now, the country
is in a bad state.they cannot accept these people
right now.so i dont know why they are
doing it.>> jimmy, thank you very much
for speaking with us.>> thank you.
>> when we return, the plan tolegalize millions upon document
immigrants failed.we will find out what happened.
also, why president andresmanuel lopez obrador invited
miguel diaz-canel to mexico.how will this affect relations
with the united states?we will debate the topic.
lets get to t♪>> there is a big obstacle when
it comes to immigration reform.democrats want to include
immigration reform aspart of reconciliation, but this
-- the senateparliamentarians have said no it
cannot be so.i am joined by two dreamers who
have worked for this for years.the copresident of community
change, lorena, and theexecutive director of united way
dream.thank you to both of you.
lets begin with the most basic.many people said that when
millions would be legalized,this is very different.
could you explain in simpleterms what the original plan
was?>> the original plan needs to go
to congress and to go to thepresident for his signature, but
it is through a budgetreconciliation that only
requires 50 votes to make a lawin the senate.
we have 50 democrats in thesenate.
this process also requires theso-called approval of someone
who works in the senate namedthe senate parliamentarian.
so what happened a week ago isthe democrats presented their
arguments as did the republicans, and then she gave her opinion
over whether or not this couldbe done through this process.
from the very beginning, we saidwe will forget about an all or
nothing approach.that does not benefit us.
we will present a proposal forthe dream act, for farmworkers,
for tps holders, and essentialworkers because the fiscal
impact of legalizing thiscommunity is greater then
changing public policy.that is how we have been
advancing this strategy.>> very well.
greisa, thinking about thesenate parliamentarian, she was
not democratically elected.she was designated by the
senate.why does one person, a senate
parliamentarian, have somuch power?
why does one person able to ruinall this work?
>> as you said, the centerparliamentarian is just an
advisor for the senate.she works at the pleasure of
senator schumer.she has all this power at the
moment because republicans havesaid they will not do anything
to help the undocumented peoplein this country.
so as lorella said, it needs tobe done in another way.
what we are seeing clearly isthe senate majority leader,
chuck schumer, president biden,and vice president harris have
the political power.they have the economic power.
and more than 70% of voters inthis country are with doing
everything possible to approvecitizenship for millions of
people.right now, there is no excuse.
they cant blame theparliamentarian.
the parliamentarian works forthem.
she has to do what they decideto do.
>> very well.we are in a situation now that
there is a lot of pessimism.people thought this might work
and it did not work.help me to understand.
the parliamentarian does notwant this.
if there are not 60 votes in thesenate, what happens next?
what is the next step?>> it is important to point out
this is the beginning of theprocess.
the senators have come together.the white house said this is
just the beginning of theprocess.
they will take a second argumentto the parliamentarian.
it is important to understandbiden and the democrats do not
have the luxury to simply hidebehind a decision made by a
senate employee who was notelected, as greisa said.
to simply say they tried is nolonger enough because they have
a majority and they have it inlarge part because of the work
we have done to elect them.so what does this mean?
what are our options at thismoment?
democrats will continue going inthe next phase and argue in
front of the parliamentarianonce again and say this has a
fiscal impact.they will have to change their
strategy a little bit in termsof what populations they are
arguing for, how many people, apath to citizenship, or
something different that willdevelop in the next few days.
two, if she continues to denythis, democrats have the ability
to ignore her decision.her decision is simply a
recommendation for the majority.it does not tie their hands.
>> can they do that?can they ignore her and say
thank you but no thank you?>> they can say, we have 50
votes.with 50 votes plus the vote from
vice president kamala harris,they are able to overrule her
recommendation and legalizemillions of people.
they will say it cannot be done,but i think it is a question of
values.>> you dreamers have been
told no many times.what are you asking president
biden to do?what can president biden do?
>> he has promised many thingsand has not fulfilled those
promises for many.>> we would like her my
president biden that he won thepresidency because of millions
of people, latinos, blackpeople, many people in this
country went out to vote notjust for him, but for an agenda
that would give citizenship tomillions of people.
making sure there is more moneyfor people who are working right
now.so, look, jorge i know you and
i, have been fighting thisbattle -- jorge, i know you and
i have been fighting this battleand people watching this show
know we have been fighting forthis for 35 years.
we have been waiting since 2010when the dream act failed for
democrats.calling the white house, the
senate, and the house ofrepresentatives.
they have the power now.there is no excuse not for them
to make good on their promises.the undocumented young people in
united way dream i willing toput pressure on them to the very
last minute to full --fulfill their promises.
>> last time you were optimisticand i imagine this time the
situation has changed.>> the situation has changed,
but not the optimism.we understood from the very
beginning this is just a firststep of the process.
we will present our argumentsonce again and keep making sure
democrats do not just makepromises, but that they use all
of their power to legalize thelargest number of people
possible.so this chapter in our history
and the history of this movementhas not ended this year.
we continue pushing.-- pushing for other communities
who want to change the future ofthis country.
so with the power of thismovement, we continue forward
with hope and with courage.>> i know you are fighting for
millions of people.you are in contact with
the future of many peopledepends on you.
>> thank you.>> when we return, the
controversy after mexicanpresident andres manuel lopez
obrador invites migueldiaz-canel.
many people consider him adictator.
what does mexico gain or losethrough this invitation?
"sesame street" sonia manzanocomes♪
>> a few days ago, during thecelebration of mexicos
independence, andres manuellopez obrador invited to mexico
miguel diaz-canel.many people consider him a
dictator.lopez obrador asked for an end
to the embargo to cuba, but notan end to the dictatorship.
people have said this was lopezobradors coming out of the
closet as a communistsympathizer.
we are joined by two experts.thank you very much for being
here.antonio, let me begin with you.
what invite a dictator tomexico?
>> well, the context in whichthis happens is not just the
speech that miguel diaz-canelgives on mexicos independence
day, but also because it is partof the sixth summit of central
america and caribbean statesafter several years of not
having a summit.and perhaps the question of
whether or not the cubanpresident is a dictator falls in
because andres manuel lopezobrador, the president pro tem
of this organization,provides the opportunity for the
heads of state to participateand give different opinions,
whether or not he is a dictator.it is up to different people to
decide.but it is too much to ask that
the host of the summitdenounce, particularly when we
think about foreign policy.it would be politically rude to
make such a declaration.>> according to antonio, we are
not necessarily talking about adictator.
you were born in cuba.>> thank you for the opportunity
to be here.responding to our colleague, we
are not just talking aboutwhether or not he is a dictator
because the facts -- look, howdid miguel diaz-canel get to
power?who lost the election?
having elections is not enoughto be democratic.
north korea has elections.it is not democratic.
who lost the election whenmiguel diaz-canel won?
>> there is censorship.are these not the
characteristics of adictatorship?
>> yes, perhaps.i am not going to give it the
vulgarity to argue politics withfelix, but perhaps cuba putting
this into context.the many human rights
violations, which are public,could be compared to other
countries.when we talk about democracy in
latin america, it seems the onlyattention noticed by the media
is cuba, nicaragua, andvenezuela.
for context, last year, columbiawas declared as the worst
country for human rights.to put things into context,
perhaps it might be worthconsidering the same elements
that are applied to one cuba ina broader -- to cuba in a
broader perspective that lopezobrador convened to discuss
whether or not that is the onlyexpression of violation of human
rights in the region.i dont think it is.
>> amnesty international, whichit has a serious report against
columbia, but i want to remindpeople that amnesty
international has beenprohibited from visiting cuba in
2009, and the regime forbids anyhuman rights observer to enter
cuba to document these cases.the few cases that we know about
in cuba, and does not mean thereis only a few.
there are just a few that areknown about among people in
exile and from dissidents whoare on the island.
so i think to talk about cubaand use these standards is not
objective.cuba is a country that does not
allow national observers toanalyze human rights.
>> i want to ask you about whatpresident lopez obrador said
about cuban exiles.he said the government should be
put aside and there are newcircumstances.
you spoke with representative threpresentative -- with the
representative.>> yes, that is correct.
we cannot confuse the victimswith the victimizers, those
oppressing and those who givethe orders like miguel
diaz-canel did.yes, the cuban exile does not
have resentment, does not havehatred.
what they have is pain.they want the world to condemn
diaz-canel.>> mexican president lopez
obrador has asked an end to theembargo.
why doesnt he ask fred and tothe dictatorship?
>> is -- why doesnt he ask foran end to the dictatorship?
>> it is not right for me tocomment on the political
situation in cuba because ithink they have the right to
give opinions.it is their right to denounce
what they think is unjust.the summit convened 33 liters
last week.brazil was absent.
perhaps the chileanrepresentative was not up to the
task, but we had heads of statewho were discussing a
multilateral agenda.i will give an example.
we cannot suppose that kofiannan, the u.n. secretary
general and 2009, would condemn-- in 2009, would condemn the
death of moammar qaddafi thefirst time he joined the
assembly.these are spaces that allow
reactions within the state.that is something that affects
cubans.of course, the cuban
constitution does not establishthe existence or possibility of
political parties.i think felix has a legitimate
claim.>> i think this goes beyond
political parties.in cuba, all kinds of
organizations and foundationthat goes against the interest
of the communist party areforbidden.
>> felix, antonio, thank youboth for being here.
thanks for this conversation,this debate.
it was very civilized.>> thank you very much.
>> we met her as maria on"sesame street."
she tells us what she haslearned from children in the
last 40 years and about her newobject and the beautiful and
instructive images --destructive images of a volcano
>> this is part of the newprogram called "almas way."
the central character is apuerto rican girl from the
bronx, new york.she is the lead character of a
show created by sonia manzano.if her name sounds familiar, it
is because she is one of thefirst latina characters in
american television.she played maria for years on
"sesame street."at the beginning of hispanic
heritage month, we invitedher to talk about her project
and what she learned fromchildren over four decades.
thank you for being here.many of us know you said we as
maria after 44 years of playingmaria on "sesame street."
tell us that story.how did a girl from the bronx
come to be one of the best-knowntelevision figures for children
all over the country and theworld?
>> thank you.it was an incredible story.
i was raised in the south bronx.i watched a lot of television my
whole life i never saw anybodywho looks like me or lived in a
neighborhood like mine.so i thought what i did not see
myself reflected in televisionthat we did not exist.
i did not think i wouldcontribute toward a society that
did not see me.so when i got the opportunity to
play maria on "sesame street," ifelt very proud.
i did not understand that theshow would last so many years
and that we would have theimpact that "sesame street"
continues having.but it was a wonderful life.
and now i am on something else.>> i want to ask you about this
other thing.i will ask you about alma's way
" in a bit but i wanted you tohelp me reflect on this.
for 44 years, you were on"sesame street" playing maria.
you said you did something thathas really been done on american
television, which has agedproperly.
on "sesame street," they showedreal people.
the producer said, in real life,people age.
i continued on-screen at everyage.
it is incredible that i can seemyself on youtube, for instance,
in my 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, inmy 60s all in the same day.
>> now you have reinventedyourself.
what you are doing now isperhaps difficult because in
television, and you and i bothknow this particularly well, you
have an image.sometimes to break with that
image can be difficult, but youare doing a new project called
alma's way."what is that about?
>> this is not my idea becauseafter "sesame street," i was no
longer interested in doingchildrens television.
but pbs, the pbs team asked meto create a show about a latin
family and being a puerto ricanfrom the bronx, i set the family
in the bronx.but i was in charge of the
method of the show.i know a lot of children dont
like school because they have tomemorize things and they felt
they were done.i thought we need to show
children that all of us have amind.
so in one episode when alma getsinto problems or is it a
problematic situation, she has aballoon come up over her head
and we see her thought processso that children can see that
all of us have a mind.>> tell me how you get from
"sesame street" to alma's way."how have challenges for children
changed?a few decades ago, we discussed
mental health among children andnow we talk about it a lot.
what challenge does the childface in 2021 that they did not
face before?>> i think that children have
not changed, but what haschanged is what adults expect
from children.someone told me the other day
that her daughter inkindergarten had to be taking
classes in front of zoom foreight hours a day.
imagine a five-year-old girl.that is a very large expectation
of a child.we also want children to learn
things at the exact same time asanother child.
we dont allow children to learnthings at their own pace.
we expect too much from them.and i hope that alma's way"
will give them the tools to dealwith the problems and the
expectations we have of them.>> if someone understands
children, it is you.when children have the option to
stay-at-home and do schoolthrough a computer online or
attend school in person but riskcontagion despite using a face
mask, what do children say?what do they prefer?
what is better for them?>> i see on television that
children get very happy whenthey are around other children.
even with masks, and does notseem like they care much.
children can get used to thingsvery easily.
i think it is probably betterfor them to be in a class.
>> thank you for being here withus.
i appreciate it.>> thanks to you.
>> when we return, thespectacular and destructive
eruption of a volcano on theisland of la palma in spain and
why scientists were able topredict with a lot of certainty
what would hap♪
>> we are going to see some ofthe images of the damage caused
by the direction of a volcano onthe island of la palma in spain.
the lava destroyed everything inits path and forced people to
leave their homes, butthey were able to
avoid any deaths.the images are both spectacular
and terrible.now univision meteorologist
albert martinez tells us what ishappening.
albert.>> good morning, jorge.
it had been 50 years since thisvolcano last erupted.
when it has erupted, it haslasted for weeks.
we will see these images for along time, that lava has been
destroying everything in itspath.
take a look.the volcanic activity around the
world, even in the arctic wehave active volcanoes.
the world has plate tectonics.there is a lot of activity like
what we see in central america.it is where these plates meet
that mac map can escape and --magma cant escape and produce
volcanic eruptions.we can see a volcano erupt like
in the canary islands.the most important parts are the
cone, right here.we have the crater.
but sometimes lava can come outof the side.
where is this lava?it is underground.
it then comes out through theseconduits to the surface.
it does so over 1000 degrees.sulfur dioxide comes out.
when mixed with water, it canproduce acid rain.
this lava can make its way tothe water when the 1000 degrees
lava touches the water, thereaction can be catastrophic.
you cannot control the lava anyway.
it was tried in 1935 in hawaii.they tried doing so by launching
bombs.it did not work.
there was an attempt in the1970s to reduce the temperature
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