El nuevo embajador de Estados Unidos concede su primera entrevista a Jorge Ramos. La suprema corte de justicia de México despenaliza el aborto, Marta Lamas nos habla sobre ello. Recordamos los últimos momentos del escritor Gabriel García Márquez.
20 Sep 2021 – 12:00 AM EDT
>> lets get to the point, "al
punto."this will be the first interview
that the new ambassador tomexico gives.
we will speak politics ofcourse, but he also saying
méxico lindo y querido -- healso sang méxico lindo y
querido.">> we also have two stories
about abortion in mexico, whereit was decriminalized.
in texas, it becomes almostimpossible.
we also remember the life of oneof the most influential latin
american authors in -- what isrevenge foreign?
a journalist on times 100 mostinfluential list talks of us
about protecting the mostintimate moments in a persons
life.we begin now.
♪>> lets get to the point, "al
punto" with jorge ramos.>> lets get to the point, "al
punto."there are few relationships as
complicated as the one betweenmexico and the united states.
-- said the border between bothcountries is like a scar that is
widening.today we begin with the first
interview granted to atelevision outlet by ken
salazar, ambassador to mexico.i traveled to mexico to talk to
him.we talked about crime and the
many opportunities forcooperation.
the first time i refer to you asambassador, i referred to you as
senator and a secretary.are you used to it yet?
>> not yet but it is an honorand privilege to be here in
mexico with the title ofambassador to the united states.
>> im going to ask you a littlemore about your position and
your mission but i wanted to askyou about the border between
mexico and the united states.mexico accepts americans coming
in despite the pandemic but notthe united states.
when will the border open againfor mexicans?
>> that is one of the bigquestions that needs to be
resolved.president biden is working on
the pandemic, one of the hardestthings in the world.
we need to make sure we get tothe other end of the pandemic in
the united states.everybody needs to get
vaccinated.we are also monitoring what is
happening at the entry points ofour country.
there is no date to reopen theborder.
>> no.>> i want to ask you about
mexico in practice.many people have said it has
become a border wall for theunited states.
the mexican national guard andmexican army are blocking
central americans, sometimesviolently, from entering the
united states and many peoplethink there is no difference
between donald trump andpresident joe biden.
that the policy to turn mexicointo the border wall for the
united states remains the same.do you want to change that?
>> president biden wants tochange the relationship and he
wants us to have an immigrationsystem that will work for the
region.mexico and the united states and
also canada but also centralamerica.
we are talking about that now,trying to find solutions,
solutions that have been neededfor many years.
>> is the united statespressuring mexico to stop
central americans?to be the wall?
>> the truth is that we need tohave control over our borders.
it is a reality for us in theunit states and mexico as well.
-- united states and mexico aswell.
that is something we need tocollaborate with the mexican
government about.>> does it bother you, when
biden is compared to trump interms of immigration policy?
>> the comparison is out ofplace because the truth is that
joe biden has -- i refer to itas a latin heart.
he knows what it feels like tobe somebody with not a lot of
money.he knows what it is like to
suffer, and that is why he wantsto work hard for workers, for
the middle class, to lifteverybody.
he does not come from a highsocial class.
he is like me.in that sense, he is focused on
what is happening here incentral america and mexico.
as we all know, the future ofnorth america requires the
integration of the economies ofmexico, the united states and
canada.we are working on that.
>> president andrés manuel lópezobrador said a few days ago that
mexico wasnt the united states'within that sovereignty, there
are many ways in which we canwork together to improve the
conditions of the people in theunited states.
>> speaking of cooperation,currently there is a lot of
violence in mexico.the andrés manuel lópez obrador
regime could be the mostviolent.
there are over 100 mexicansbeing killed every day.
many people think it is thefault of the unit states because
weapons from the united statescome here and because of the
hike it -- the high drugconsumption rate in the united
states.>> i dont think it is a matter
of assigning blame.i think the truth is that drugs
are consumed in the unitedstates are part of the problem.
that creates some of theviolence.
the guns and weapons that comefrom the north is also part of
the problem, so what is neededis that we work with the mexican
government, the americangovernment, to solve these
security problems.>> i want to ask you how you see
the relationship between mexicoand the united states.
a writer said the border is ascar.
they wrote of the united statesand mexico as distant neighbors.
>> i see it as a people.two nations but one people.
you and i know each other well.you know that for me, the truth
is that in the united states, wehave 60 million latinos.
40 million of mexican indus --of mexican ancestry.
we have the same roots.the border that was created as a
result of the mexican-americanwar that ended in 1848, that
separated us but it did notseparate the spirit and values
that we have.values of family, faith and
culture, the love that we have.what we need to do is unite
more.that is why what we are going to
do is not just have aconversation with the mexican
people but also with people inthe united states, including
mexican americans.>>dictator, diaz-canel.
how can the united states getalong with a mexican president
like lópez obrador?>> mexico has its sovereignty.
president lópez obrador will dowhat he does.
the u.s. interests are notalways going to be the same as
his interests.we need to focus on the big
things, the things where we canreach agreement and there are a
lot of places where we agree.that is where i am placing my
energy.>> later, we will see how the --
and the ambassador saying --singing méxico lindo y querido.
"for now we go to another story,
this one in washington, d.c.there was a protest to support
people who were accused ofparticipating in the
insurrection on january 6.our correspondent tells us what
happened.>> this is not patriotism.
this is fascism, said thisveteran.
he argued with trump supporterswas -- and was arrested.
the protest was in support ofthose who were arrested on
january 6.>> anybody who commits acts of
violence should go to jail, saidthe organizer.
many protesters said there wasno violence on january 6.
images of the violence were seenaround the world.
>> may be from the fbi.maybe it was a trap.
the fbi brought violent peopleto instigate the attack, said
this protester.there have been over 600 people
arrested.the protesters came to
washington to protest in frontof the u.s. congress.
but paradoxically, congress isempty today.
there are no legislators here.they are in recess.
>> we know there was a bunch ofpeople.
we know if it were a bunch ofblack people, the story would
have ended differently, saidthis counter protester.
the protesters supported trump.some accuse them of inciting a
coup détat.>> they came here thinking that
they were going to take thecapitol.
that goes completely against theconstitution.
>> in washington.>> when we return, abortion in
mexico and texas, and the battlebetween feminists and
conservatives.a book that tells of the last
hours of gabriel garcia marquez.what is revenge born and how a
mexican activist accomplishedindependent from the
organization of american states.we return now to jorge ramos.
>> we are going to talk aboutabortion in texas and mexico.
in mexico, the supreme courtdecriminalized abortion.
it is a surprising move with akind -- for a country with such
a large catholic population.support for abortion increased
last year.a woman who worked for this is
with us.you worked for decades in favor
of decriminalizing abortion.it finally happened with the
supreme court in mexico.what made the difference?
>> i think it is theaccumulation of years of work at
the hands of feminists, but alsothe cultural climate change in
terms of abortion.a new generation sees what is
happening in the world.we have seen important
resolutions from theinter-american court of rights
in 2012, that said that anembryo cannot have the same
status as a woman.a womans right needs to prevail
over the rights of an embryo.there have been several
cultural, political and judicialtendencies that led to the
supreme court decriminalizingabortion.
>> if it is a judicial decision,does that mean that mexicans
culturally are in favor of this?i have read that 53% of
americans are -- 53% of mexicansare against abortion.
there have been people who saywe should kill a woman who
commits abortion.>> there are different regions
with different levels ofconservatism.
in a gallup poll we did inmexico city, we had 80% support
among the population that saidit was a womans decision.
it is a comp okada choice -- itis a complicated choice.
there has been no consensus inany one country.
the decisions are political.liberals against conservatives.
whoever has the politicalmajority is able to impose their
view of abortion.we saw this in texas where --
with republicans and we see thatdemocrats have a different point
of view.i think it is without a doubt, a
step forward but there will besectors in society that will
question it or fight andorganize and we will continue
this way.>> very well.
this has been a victory that youhave worked for, for decades.
how difficult is it now to getan abortion in mexico despite
all of this?>> it is not very difficult.
if you come to mexico city,where they have been doing this
for a long time.women from all states come here.
80% are done with medicine.they are told how to take the
pills at home, and then thewoman comes back for a medical
checkup.this is the big advance.
in europe, the majority ofabortions are done with
medication.there is neat -- there is no
need for surgical intervention.we only have it now in four
states.i think that the battle from
feminists and progressives willmake it so that we will see more
reforms in mexico.>> we asked for opinions and
here is what we heard.>> beyond that struggle of my
body, my choice, we are imposingauthoritarian ideas.
>> i think a woman has everychoice -- every right to choose
what to do.>> you cant have a right to an
abortion in a hospital if it isnot protected.
>> these are just some of theopinions.
can you tell me what thephilosophy is behind this
decision?who has precedent?
>> it is not just that.it is about social justice.
in mexico, women with financialresources can get illegal
abortions done.this is a decision that will
benefit the majority of womenwho dont have those resources,
who take risks, and in somecases die.
it is going to level the field abit more.
any woman who wants to have anabortion can do so without being
criminalized, without riskingher life.
the abortion law is like thedivorce law.
people who dont want to getdivorced dont have to take
advantage of it.anybody who does not want to
have an abortion will not beforced to.
what this is doing is attackinga question of injustice that
exists in our country.>> finally, is mexico today a
more feminist country?is mexico a less chauvinist
country now?>> i think it is a country with
more feminism, chauvinism stillexists, but there is more
feminism.not just among those of us who
referred ourselves as feministsbut among politicians, judges,
lawyers and doctors who have afeminist perspective over many
problems and that is in advance.>> thank you for being here.
>> i appreciate it.>> we spoke about abortion in
mexico and now i will do itabout texas.
unlike mexico, it becomes moredifficult to have an abortion in
los angeles -- in texas.it is forbidden to have an
abortion after a heart beat canbe detected, six weeks.
the supreme court did not wantto intervene.
weve been covering this.it has only been a few days
since this law in texas hastaken effect.
what are the consequences andpractice?
have abortions been forbidden intexas?
>> well yes.it began in september, because
that is what the law dictates.it is important to mention the
supreme court.we have a constitution that has
a 10th amendment that says thatthe powers that the constitution
does not give to the federalgovernment nor forbids the
states from enacting, thesepowers belong to the states.
this law was approved in texas.there was a democrat that voted
in favor, both in the senate andhouse.
that is how the law came to be.>> i am thinking about a woman
who might have been raped.what happens?
for a lot of women, this isunfair.
>> it is important to rememberthat this law allows abortion
until a heartbeat can be heard.as long as there is no heartbeat
present, abortion is permitted.unfortunately in the case of
incessant or rape, it is atragedy, something that is
terrible and of course it shouldbe condemned but even if it
sounds cruel, governor gregabbotts words, which were
criticized, these people havesix weeks to make this decision.
people of lower income, this lawwas approved at the same time
that $100 billion were approvedfor alternatives to a -- $100
million were approved foralternatives to abortion.
women need to know about thosealternatives.
they would not make thisdecision if they knew there were
many alternatives to help them.>> why you or governor abbott or
a judge or a law should makedecisions over the body of a
woman?why do you want to get involved
in the lives of other people?>> it is not that we want to
decide.>> ethic it is the case.
why can you make decisions overa womans body?
>> what we are deciding about,the body of a little woman or
man inside of a woman.it is a life.
it is a beating heart.it is important to know that
there are other alternatives andwe need to protect the right to
life among the unborn.>> is your idea that this --
that the texas law can beapplied in the remaining 49
states?>> i understand there are other
states and other governors whohave mentioned they want to
follow in the steps -- in thesesteps because we have lost
control of our other options andthe truth is that its about
unmasking what abortion reallyis, not just in texas but the
rest of the country.this is big business for people
who provide this service.there are many other options.
we are seeing that the right tolife among the unborn is
important.a woman who is undergoing a
crisis needs to have otheralternatives.
>> excuse me, but many womendont even know they are
pregnant six weeks in.that is what many people think
is unjust and cruel.they dont know.
>> the majority no.-- the majority know.
that is an unfounded rumor.women can know before six weeks.
they know if they might bepregnant.
>> thank you for being here withus.
when we return, what were thelast moments in the life of
gabriel garcia as marques like-- gabriel garcia arcemarques
like?we continue our conversation
with the new ambassador tomexico, who suddenly began
>> lets learn a little bit moreabout the life and death of the
colombian novelist and nobelprize winner, gabriel garcia
marquez.his son, rodrigo garcia has
written a memoir, called gabo ymercedes.
a farewell to gabo andmercedes: a son's memoir."
i spoke with him recently.thank you for being with us.
>>the book was one of the mostbeautiful and hardest i have
read in years.i dont know how you do it.
you talk about your father,saying it is on the most
religious lives lived by a latinamerican -- one of the most
privileged lives lived by alatin american.
something so intimate, sopersonal.
>> i never thought it would be aproject.
the last three weeks i was atthe house.
the experience was amazing, notonly because of the imminent
death of a father but because ofeverything that surrounds us
publicly.it was semiprivate and
semipublic.without thinking about a project
but what i started doing wastaking notes about what we were
experiencing, what we wereliving.
memories.after he died, i wrote a lot of
that down but i never had aclear idea of what i would do
with it.i didnt want to betray family
privacy.last year, when my mother died,
i realized that i was interestedin.
it was the farewell to both ofmy parents, the end of what i
call the club of horror.that is when i began to think
about publishing something.i didnt want to publish
something about the death of myfather, who was a beloved
genius.of course that is a big part of
it.probably the reason the book was
published.but from my personal point of
view, it was a farewell to bothparents.
>> you said i am terrified oftaking notes, i am embarrassed
when i write them and look themover.
i ask you, how do you take noteswhen you are seeing your father
slowly slip away?>> i asked myself that as well.
i think it is a way ofdistracting myself and evading
what was happening.i imagine many people have
experienced something like this.there is nothing you can do but
wait.even if you are convinced it is
going to happen, you will besaid it hasnt happened.
you cannot mourn a person inlife.
the things that we do, sometimeswe will have a family reunion,
sometimes we will generatehumor, dark humor, and sometimes
i was using this to bedistracted.
i noticed this was happeningthat i wasnt writing it down.
>> you say that the subjectchooses you in a way, and you
described that moment in adifficult manner.
you said the image of yourfathers body entering the
crematorium, you said it is themost indescribable moment of
your life.were you able to get some
distance because of yourcameramans eye?
>> i think what my brain dead toprotect itself was distance
itself.that is why i was not able to
process the image, to be sittingthere when the body of a loved
one is about to be annihilated.like i describe it in the book,
it is difficult to understand.people at the funeral home
applauded.>> your father died in 2014.
your mother died in 2020.you described the tragedy in a
way people can identify.you said that because the
pandemic not allow you travel,you saw her for the last time on
a screen.my own father died many years
ago far away and i was unable tosay goodbye.
you were able to say goodbye butin a difficult way.
>> even when i saw my motheralive a few minutes before, she
was practically unconscious, butyes, i was with her a lot, if
not in person.during the pandemic i could not
see here.i was in los angeles but we
would face time.we did talk a lot about things
after my father died.she was very gregarious.
she had a very active sociallife.
but we were very close to hereven though i could not be there
with her at the last moment.i do not feel that we were
incomplete.>> im glad you were able to do
that.you said that he had doubts
about publishing the book ornot, but he remembered what your
father said.he said what i am dead, do
whatever you want -- when i amdead, do whatever you want.
so you did that.>> yes i suppose you are never
too old to need your parents'permission.
>> thank you very much for this.i dont know how you did it.
it is beautiful, but also verydifficult.
i dont know how you did it.i dont think that i would have
been able to write about myfather that way.
i dont know how you did it.as a reader, i think you.
>> i am still recovering, butlike i said, i did it because i
couldnt not do it.the subject came to me.
i had to gave -- i had to givein.
the writing itself was not sodifficult.
what was difficult was to be onthat journey.
>> thank you very much.>> thank you.
>> when we return, what isrevenge porn?
a woman who went from victim toactivist.
and ken salazar walks the citiesof mexico city.
he tells us what it was like togrow up♪
>> time just published a list ofthe people it considers to be
the 100 most influential of theyear.
olimpia coral melo cruz is amongthat list.
you may have heard of her namebecause there is a law with her
name.her law makes revenge porn
illegal.she is with us.
thank you for being here withus.
congratulations for being onthat list.
your voice is heard, more andmore, but it wasnt easy.
it was very difficult.it was 2013.
how did you go from being avictim to becoming an activist?
>> to answer that question, ihad the support of my family.
when i was the victim of thepublication of that video,
without my consent, the firstthing i did -- the first thing
that happened was people thoughti had initiated this.
people judged me.i felt like i was being
violated.one person who told me it isnt
your fault.what my mother said was what you
did was not bad.all of us have sex.
your mother has sex, your fatherhas sex, your neighbor has sex.
even i have sex.the difference is that people
are seeing you have it.it is not your fault.
dont be afraid.you should not be embarrassed
because you did not commit acrime.
from there, meeting otherfeminists and finding out there
were other victims.ive journey -- my journey
began, and now my name is notassociated with that video but
with a law.>> there are over 75 million
people on the internet.one out of every four say they
are victims of sexualharassment, and the majority of
them are women.very few people can bring up
charges.suppose that someone in mexico
or the united states is seeingyou now.
what can they do if they are ina situation like yours?
>> there are some importantthings -- in my country and many
countries in latin america,there wasnt an opportunity to
press charges.we also need to know we are not
a victim and cannot believe itis our fault, that we provoke
this.that gives more power to the
aggressor.the first thing is to understand
that it -- that it is not ourfault.
we should not allow ourselves tobe manipulated.
>> olimpia, in april of thisyear, a man was arrested for
publishing intimate photographsfor the first time.
people may not have experiencedhaving a video online but they
may have felt in their own waythat their lives have been
violated.what can and can you not do with
a cell phone?>> it is important that when we
are on the internet, we beempowered.
whatever we wouldnt dooff-line, we shouldnt do
online.sexting is an interchange of
erotic content that is part ofpeoples freedom, but what is
not fair and what should not beacceptable is to spread
something from an intimate realmto a public realm, and publish
that without consent.taking photographs without
consent and then publishingthem.
people tell me it is your faultbecause youve allowed yourself
to be recorded.why should the state protect you
or why should the state change?it is very simple.
if a person trusts someone elseintimately, if you have sex with
them, you are not opening thewindows so everybody can watch.
the moment they open the windowswithout their consent, it is a
violation and that is very wellidentified in the offline space.
now we need to identify it inthe online space.
enough of this kind of violence.i hope my voice will raise
awareness in the world.>> olimpia, may your voice be
heard loudly.thank you for being with us and
congratulations for theinclusion in time magazine.
when we return, we continue ourconversation with the new
ambassador to mexico.he went on a walk with us in
mexico.ambassador, i invite you to take
a walk on the sorge ramos>> as you hurt the beginning of
the show, i traveled to mexicoto interview the new u.s.
ambassador to mexico, kensalazar.
i asked if he wanted to join meon a walk in mexico city and he
said yes.he did not anticipate at all and
in the middle of the sidewalk,he talked about his family,
literature and even began tosing.
we are on the streets of mexicocity.
do you feel safe here?>> safe and very happy.
>> ambassador, do you feelmexican?
>> i know that the --youve been on the continent for
almost four centuries but do youfeel mexican?
>> i feel mexican-american andhere in mexico, the family
values, the values of faith,those are the same values i have
in america as amexican-american.
>> i read in your biography thatat one point you were insulted
when you were young because youwere mexican.
>> many times, right?part of the discrimination that
exists in the united states.>> so youre insulted many times
because you were mexican.>> many times, and many people
right now, many mexicans andmexican americans are
experiencing the same thing.it is part of what happens with
many people in the unitedstates.
here too.>> do you feel proud of your
mexican origin?>> yes.
it is an interesting storybecause the border crossed you,
right?you were in mexico before the
mexican-american war.>> that is what happened.
my family were ranchers in therio grande valley.
the war came, the war ended in1848.
after that, but ed sisters stoodthere -- my ancestors stayed
there.we were part of the united
states.>> do you have a favorite
mexican writer?>> a book that for me was very
important was a book by amexican-american.
"bless me ultima."in that book, he talks about the
culture and the world in which igrew up.
the mexican world but also theamerican world.
the culture and the history ofour people in the united states
is different from the people whohave been in mexico >> -- in
mexico, but there are ties.>> i saw when you arrived to
mexico city, you quoted thesong, méxico lindo y querido."
you sang at the other day,right?
>> [singing méxico lindo yquerido"]
i dont sing very well, but itry.
>> i never would have imaginedthat the ambassador from the
unit it states would sing thatsong. on
univision.com/alpunto.until next week, went together,
we get to the point, "al punto."thank you.