punto con jorge ramosare you here with your mother or
father?>> almost 19,000 children
crossed the border with theunited states without parents
last month.we speak with ricardo zúñiga,
special envoy to the northerntriangle, and christopher landau
, the ambassador to mexico underthe trump administration.
should there be a vaccinepassport?
should universities force theirstudents to get vaccinated?
we speak with julio frenk.and juan vargas tells us why he
thinks immigrants are a giftfrom god.
and -- speaks about his newestseries.
ecuador votes for a presidenttoday.
we have a special report.we now begin.
♪>> lets get to the point.
"al punto" with jorge ramos.>> lets get to the point, "al
punto."we begin with the humanitarian
situation on the southernborder.
almost 19,000 children enteredthe united states alone in the
month of march.the bite in the administration
-- the biden administration hasa policy that can be dangerous
when a child gets lost, likethis nicaraguan child.
>> can you help me?>> what happened?
>> i was with a group of people,and i cannot find them.
>> you dont know where theyare?
did they leave you alone?>> they kicked me out.
>> you are not here with yourmom or dad?
>> i was with a group, and theyleft me alone.
>> they left you, and told youto find help?
>> i am asking for help, becausei might get kidnapped or
something.>> are you afraid?
>> yes.>> here we go.
>> that child says he is afraid.we spoke with the uncle of that
child.they spoke with our
correspondent.>> when you saw that video of
your nephew, that must have beenhard.
>> it is the hardest thing.you feel terrible.
everyone of us who saw thevideo, and the family, we have
cried a lot.>> when you spoke with your
nephew, did he ask for hismother?
>> yes.>> what did you say?
>> i told him she was ok.>> you lied to him.
>> they werent expecting this.they criticized donald trump so
much, and they are worse.>> over 170,000 undocumented
immigrants entered the country,and this does not look to end
soon.ricardo zúñiga, thank you for
being here with us on the show.>> thank you.
>> you just returned from a tripto central america, particularly
guatemala and el salvador.what did you accomplish?
>> the important thing at thismoment is to establish lines of
communication to the governments, with private sector and the
public sector, who can helpalleviate the conditions that
are causing this massive flow ofpeople coming from -- coming
through mexico into the notedstates.
this trip was to -- the unitedstates.
this trip was -- in favor ofthis long-term project.
>> dealing with issues, andthese governments.
why are people leaving elsalvador, nicaragua, honduras
and guatemala?>> conditions are different in
each country, but they share incommon, a lack of hope and
opportunity.in some cases, there is a danger
to their lives as a result ofthe government or sometimes
other factors, and at the end ofthe day, it is a lack of
opportunity that seems to be themost important factor behind
this influx.it might be a lack of economic
opportunities like unemployment,or they dont have options in
their lives and do not see abetter future.
>> president biden wants toinvest $4 billion in central
america.he seems to have good
intentions, but this will takeyears if not decades.
how do we solve an urgentproblem on the border now, when
his project is so long-term?>> the first thing we have to do
is prove that there are legalmeans that can solve these
situations.that is one focus.
another focus is to show incases where we have seen natural
disasters, to increasehumanitarian aid to the most
affected people so they will nothave to leave, not just because
they have no hope for thefuture, but because right now,
they dont have things likeelectricity.
try to work with multilateralbanks and resolve these problems
that are urgent and sometimesmotivating these departures.
we also need to see what we cando to increase job growth and
opportunities.the president put it correctly
when he said what we need is awall of prosperity, and that is
what we are trying to motivate.>> this is a delicate question.
the newspaper in spain said thatthe president in el salvador
snubbed an american envoy.why did president bukele meet
with you?>> that is something you would
have to ask the el salvador andgovernment.
i had a meeting withrepresentatives of the private
sector and our message is forall of the people of el
salvador.we think what we found was a
willingness to work together.we did ask for an official
meeting.it was not granted.
but we still met our objectivesin this specific trip.
>> finally, mr. zúñiga, do youthink your message from the
government to central americanssaying do not come is not being
received?are the only hearing of the
cruelty under the trumpadministration has ended?
is that the message centralamericans are getting?
>> what we are seeing after somany years, we have seen not
just this episode but otherepisodes that happen every two
or three years, we are talkingabout a dynamic, not just a
single episode, so the forcesthat are motivating these exits,
unfortunately at this moment aregreater then the forces that can
convince people to stay-at-home.we need to change that formula,
that logic, so that -- to avoidhaving to do this every year,
and the truth is that thehumanitarian effects, a massive
migration can be seen in people,but also in the region, which is
losing human capital, losinghope.
it is bad for the united statesand for central america.
we need to deal with thatdynamic, and that will solve the
situation we are seeing now.>> ricardo zúñiga, thank you for
joining us.now we will hear a different
point of view.christopher landau was
ambassador to mexico during thedonald trump administration.
the about -- -- the ambassadorwrote an op-ed for the new york
times called the true reason forthe crisis on the border.
he joins us from phoenix,are you a
arizona.>> we sometimes this incentivize
-- sometimes disincentivizemigration.
no one can see these images thatwe are seeing from the border
and say that this is not a cruelpolicy.
i understand we are a country ofimmigrants, as you well know.
my own parents were immigrants.it is important to have a
realistic policy towardimmigration.
but we need to do is incentivizelegal and orderly immigration.
the current administration isdoing the exact opposite.
>> last month we had 170immigrants on the border.
people are blaming you and thedonald trump administration,
because he created the remain inmexico policy.
with dozens of refugees who assoon as they had the opportunity
began crossing into the notedstates, -- into the united
states, isnt this your fault?>> absolutely not.
that program incentivized andabusive our asylum system.
there is a lot of poverty andviolence in central america.
those countries have a lot ofproblems but our asylum laws are
very specific for people who arepersecuted by their government,
because of their religion,ideology, that is not the case
in central america.theyve got problems, but it is
not like hitlers is in centralamerica -- it is not like
hitlers in central america.the problem was to dis
incentivize people who arecoming and being abused and used
by smugglers who try to enterthe country by a view -- by
abusing the asylum program.with that program, we were able
to avoid that abuse of theasylum policy.
the bite in the administrationdecided to end that program, and
now we are seeing the results.>> do you think that mexico, the
government of ober --government of obrador, became
the wall?the use of national guard to
prevent immigrants into theunited states.
>> it is very obvious that theimmigration problem is a shared
challenge between mexico and theunited states.
we have seen in the last fewyears, that the challenge has
evolved substantially, and nowthere are people from all over
the world that want to enter theunited states in an irregular
fashion, by crossing throughmexico.
mexico doesnt want to be theentry point for people who want
to come to the united statesfrom india, anglo --, the congo,
especially during a pandemicstop i think what -- i think
when president lopez oberrador became president, he
saw everybody was going to theunited states.
>> did you threaten to imposetariffs on mexico?
>> yes.if we cannot reach an agreement,
obviously the relationship withmexico wont continue in a
regular way, if mexico isincentivizing irregular
immigration, and i think thatthe lopez obrador administration
also did not want toincentivized irregular
immigration.the root of the problem is that
we need to find a system likethe bracero program so people
can come and work in thiscountry legally, protected by
laws, so they dont have to livein the shadows.
we need to regularize that.it is precisely why i wrote in
the new york times the other day, that the key to the problem is
that it is very easy to findjobs in the unit states if you
are undocumented.there is no system -- there is
no verify system that works.>> i read your op-ed and you
proposed that verify be appliedto the united states entirely.
we have had this program forover 10 years and it does not
work.we have become accustomed to the
labor of undocumentedimmigrants in this country.
-- document immigrants in thiscountry -- undocumented
immigrants in this country.>> if you use it and your
competition doesnt use it, theyhave an advantage.
it only works if it isuniversally applied.
that is why i am calling for theuniversal use of e-verify.
a lot of people who come here,desperate, with the dream to
live and work in the unitedstates, they are good people.
i dont have anything againstthem.
the problem is that our systemplaces them in a very dangerous
situation, not just for theirtrip but in living here.
>> two questions before we end.mexico did not pay for the wall,
right?>> no, it is a sovereign state.
we are also a sovereign country,and we always have had a good
relationship with mexico and thegovernment.
>> what did you learn frommexicans?
what advice would you give thenext ambassador to mexico?
>> enjoy the country.there are many challenges to the
relationship, but at the end ofthe day, we are allies and
natural partners.we saw this with the free trade
agreement.i hope we can go beyond these
immigration challenges and focuson the more positive aspects of
the relationship and what we cancreate together.
to work toward having a powerfultrade relationship.
>> when we return, should therebe special passports or people
who have received the covid-19vaccination in the united
states?a congressman says immigrant
coming into the country is good.they will talk to us about the
climate crisis that affects theentire country of mexico.
>> the planet has limits.>> it is a living hell there.
>> the river is still alive.groups.
we return now to jorge ramos.>> the virus is spreading
because we have too many peoplewho see the end in sight and
think we are at the finish linealready, but let me be deadly
earnest with you.we are not at the finish line.
>> what joe biden said, we havegood news so far about the
pandemic.president biden says that after
april 19, all adults in theunited will be eligible to get a
vaccine.he also said the united states
has given hundred 50 millionvaccines -- has given 150
million vaccines.with only 27% of latinos having
gotten the vaccine, below thenational average, while 39% plan
to be vaccinated as soon as theyare eligible.
we are joined by dr. julio frenk, president of the university of
miami and former secretary ofhealth in mexico.
dr. frenk, thank you for beingwith us.
let me begin by asking you aboutthe idea of having a vaccine
passport.for instance, you at the
university of miami, could youforce your students to be
vaccinated before going toclass?
>> we should clear up that therewas a long history of asking for
proof of vaccination.this was done before the
eradication of smallpox.it was done with yellow fever.
it is not the first time thatpeople have asked for documents
so that travelers do notendanger the lives of others.
but i think is important is toavoid politicizing this topic,
but unfortunately it is beingpoliticized.
i think president bidens stanceis appropriate.
he is saying the governmentwont do it, so it wont be
politicized but if there areprivate entities that want to do
so, they will be able to do so.>> dr. frenk, have you decided
what to do at the university ofmiami?
>> yes.what we are doing now is to ask
all of our students, as well asthe employees, professors, to
have a vaccine and beginningmonday, all students can get
vaccinated.we have been sending out
notifications and what we havedecided to do is to wait for the
end of may and incentivize thatthis be voluntary.
depending on the numbers that wehave before summer break, we
will make the decision ofwhether or not we will continue
having that be voluntary.that will be ideal if the number
is high, or we will make it arequirement, as we had to do
with the influenza vaccine.>> what do you think about the
screen pass that is being usedin israel, to go to restaurants
and concerts and public spaces?is this a good idea and should
this be applied in the unitedstates and latin america?
>> i think it is a good idea,that is done, respecting peoples
piracy concerns, indicating --peoples privacy concerns.
i think those are the mainobjections.
i think we have to listen tothose voices.
from a strictly public healthperspective, without
politicizing this topic, to havea way for people to be certified
and sure that they are protectedis a way of protecting others.
it allows them to interact in amore open way and helps
reactivate the economy.i am opposed to the idea of
politicizing it.a public health measure should
not be politicized.>> i would like to ask you about
something you wrote, regardingthe disparity between official
deaths in mexico due to thecoronavirus, and the numbers you
have released.can you tell us why mexico is
not releasing the true number ofdeaths, due to the pandemic?
>> from the beginning, it wasclear there was an
underreporting of deaths.there were techniques like
measuring excess deaths,compared to other years and when
we see a difference in a year,we know something happened.
we obviously know somethinghappened last year.
the government itself, which hasan autonomous organization that
used data on populations anddeath certificates, estimates
that instead of that officialnumber, a government that gives
very few tests by the way, weare at over 310,000 deaths.
>> not 200,000 as the officialnumber said.
>> yes.>>what is interesting is that th
government didnt account ofexcess deaths, and this was
announced by the secretary ofhealth.
my editorial indicates we needto maintain the autonomy of the
organizations that are countingthese deaths.
unfortunately in mexico,communication has been confusing
and contradictory.that is the key to controlling
the pandemic, even with avaccine.
in the u.s., we are doing anadmirable job of vaccination,
despite some disparities.all of that requires
information.there is a risk to democracy in
mexico.democracy needs autonomous
organizations that can provideindependent information and keep
leaders responsible.>> we will leave it at that.
thank you so much for joiningus.
>> thank you.questions regarding the
coronavirus and give youinformation on where to get the
coronavirus vaccine.scan this code on your phone and
get that information.we will take a break and when we
return, congressman julio vargastalks about why he thinks it is
good for immigrants to come tothe united states.
there are presidential electionsin ecuador.
we will have a report.>> we will go back to a topic of
the week.the president biden
administration is spending $60million to house families who
have crossed the border.there are 70 children, the
government does not have enoughspaces to put them.
the san diego convention centeris almost filled up.
we are joined now by congressmanjuan vargas, whose district
includes part of san diegocounty.
congressman vargas, thank youfor joining us.
we just had former ambassador tomexico christopher landau on the
show.he said it is president bidens
fault sony migrants are comingto the united states.
how do you see things?>> that is not true.
the truth is we have always hadmany people coming to the united
states, especially if somethinghappens that is dangerous in
mexico or central america, likethe hurricanes that came through
central america.this was not biden, this was an
act of god.>> what should we do?
how should this be managed.particularly, thinking about the
over 18,000 children that havebeen detained in a month,
crossing the border alone.>> we have to follow the law.
these children need help.they came here asking for help,
asking for asylum, asking forrefuge.
according to our laws, we didnot care for these children.
we need to try to unite themwith their families.
they are asking for asylum.perhaps they will get it,
perhaps they wont, but that isup to the courts to decide.
we need to treat them with careand receive fact -- and respect.
>> do you think we need tobecome accustomed to these
numbers?president biden wants to invest
more than $4 billion in centralamerica.
vice president kamala harris isin charge of that, but this will
take many years.>> president trump did not want
to help those countries.we need to help those countries,
so that they can rise up again.we need to help those countries
if we want people to stay in..
those countries this is not justtap -- to stay in this
countries.this is not just happening in
this part of the world.it is happening all over the
world, not just in a lot -- notjust in latin america.
>> before the interview, yousaid we are seeing that as a
problem, but it is a benefit.>> yes, of course.
all economists say ourpopulation is getting older.
we need younger people, we needmore young people, more working
age people who can work for manyyears, so that the country can
continue.these are the children that will
raise up the country.this isnt new, this has
happened before.we are a country of immigrants.
this has always happened.we need to see them as a gift
from god, not as a negativething, as others are saying.
these children are a gift.these children want to improve
their lives.when they improve their lives,
they improve our lives as well.>> a more personal question.
you got the vaccine.how is california handling the
pandemic?i understand they want to reopen
the economy fully.what is happening in california?
>> more or less well at thismoment.
>> thank you for being on theshow.
>> at your service.>> when we return, a new facet
from mexican --.with the
climate crisis in mexico.it is called "el tema," and each
episode will deal with adifferent topic.
>> what is happening with thewater, the air and this virus.
in case you did not remember,you are part of the ecosystem.
you are interconnected.we need to figure out what we
are going to do.♪
>> i think that we cannotcontinue down that path.
>> behind all this, there is alot of work.
i think the benefits are worthit.
>> actor, producer and director,gael garcía bernal, is part of
this project.he is here with us now.
gael, thank you for being withus.
when i saw part of yourdocumentary, i thought nearly 2
million people have died aroundthe world because of the
pandemic.8 million people died because of
pollution and environmentalproblems.
how did this idea occur?>> that is just because of air
pollution.that statistic you gave us is
because of air pollution, alone.how does this come up?
where does this come from?it comes from an innate concern
that is universal, that all ofus share.
we have been thinking about thisand hearing about this for
decades.making us think that there is a
problem and it is corroboratedscientifically.
there is global warming that iscaused by human activity, and
the model of, lets saydevelopment, the way of
organizing civilization isdriving us toward imminent
disaster.we are not doing anything to
stop it.>> thinking about the topics you
are dealing with with water inchihuahua, coal in coahuila,
energy in tabasco and food inchapala.
>> everyplace -- every place isdealing with each of these
things.chihuahua receives very little
water.that first episode on april 13
will deal with the water issuein chihuahua.
you will understand what it iscausing -- what it is, causing
the scarcity.>> in the middle of a pandemic,
gael?>> with a lot of care and
following protocols, with asmall team, we did this in a
very discreet manner, and thisis what we do.
we make movies, this is our job.>> in the middle of the most
difficult times in the pandemicin mexico, between 200000 and
200,000 deaths.>> beginning with march 2020,
every moment was a tragicmoment, a moment of emergency.
we took every precaution likemany productions have done, with
every care, following everyregulation, taking care of
ourselves and thanks to all ofthe existing protocols, we did
not have any cases ofcoronavirus.
everything worked out well,fortunately.
>> gael, you are in bornosaturdays -- in window saturdays
-- in buenos aires.how do you compare what is
happening there to what ishappening in mexico or the
united states?>> this is something the world
was not prepared for, anywhere.everyone has reacted
differently.it depends on the social psyche.
here in argentina, stringentrules were established, trying
to prevent an increase in casesand in some ways, they achieved
that, but not in others.every country has had those
kinds of challenges.>> congratulations.
the show, "el tema," premiersapril 13.
now i know what you did duringthe pandemic.
>> sounds like a movie, i knowwhat you did during the
pandemic.we need to do something about
this climate crisis.that is a topic that concerns
all of humanity.>> thank you for being with us.
>> take care.>> w♪
>> ecuadorians are picking apresident.
economists andres arauz isfacing off against former banker
guillermo lasso.beyond that, they are also
choosing what kind of countrythey want ecuador to be, all of
this in the middle of thepandemic.
we are joined by freddie.thank you for.
.being here can you tell us the
debt -- thank you for beinghere.
can you tell if the differencesbetween andres arauz and
guillermo lasso?>> hello, jorge.
greetings from ecuador.andres arauz represents an idea
that the state would be anengine of the economy.
he will focus on socialpolicies.
guillermo lasso is the candidatefor the right.
he is supporting privateenterprise and foreign
investment.he thinks that they can purchase
bait more in health andeducation, while andres arauz
has talked about fightingoligarchies and elites in
ecuador.>> these are two different views
for the country.lasso says if arauz wins,
ecuador could become anothervenezuela.
is this an exaggeration?>> these are the fears that
exist, because andres arauzscandidacy is rooted in the
legacy of rafael.there is a concern that they
will use the resources of thecentral bank.
andres arauz has said he wantsto repatriate resources.
.there is also concern that he
may influence the central bankand destabilize the economy.
there is concern that ecuadormay eventually become venezuela.
andres arauz says there isnothing to worry about, that
ecuador will follow a differentpath.
everything remains to be seenthis sunday, when ecuadorians
are voting.>> let me end with this.
how do you campaign in themiddle of the pandemic and how
does that affect the election?>> there was a concern that
ecuadorians might not votebecause of a fear of contagion.
right now we are in a surge, butecuadorians are going to the
polls with security measures.face masks are required.
people have to bring their ownpens, and only one person can
enter at a time.they must be unaccompanied.
in the first round, we had thisexperience.
there were a lot of people, butthis time the doors will be
open.there will be proper
ventilation, so the people willnot get this virus that is
affecting the entire world.the experience has been
positive, and we hope that todaythis will happen again, and that
there wont be more cases.>> thank you for joining us.
>> thank you.>> voters in peru and bolivia
are also voting.in peru, 18 candidates are vying
for the first round, and therewill be another round in july. i
univision.com/alpunto.we will see you next week, when
will you -- when we will get tothe point, "al punto."