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Al Punto con Jorge Ramos - 11 de abril, 2021

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punto con jorge ramosare you here with your mother or father?>> almost 19,000 children crossed the border with theunited states without parents last month.we speak with ricardo zúñiga, special envoy to the northerntriangle, and christopher landau , the ambassador to mexico underthe trump administration. should there be a vaccinepassport? should universities force theirstudents to get vaccinated? we speak with julio frenk.and juan vargas tells us why he thinks immigrants are a giftfrom god. and -- speaks about his newestseries. ecuador votes for a presidenttoday. we have a special report.we now begin. ♪>> lets get to the point. "al punto" with jorge ramos.>> lets get to the point, "al punto."we begin with the humanitarian situation on the southernborder. almost 19,000 children enteredthe united states alone in the month of march.the bite in the administration -- the biden administration hasa policy that can be dangerous when a child gets lost, likethis nicaraguan child. >> can you help me?>> what happened? >> i was with a group of people,and i cannot find them. >> you dont know where theyare? did they leave you alone?>> they kicked me out. >> you are not here with yourmom or dad? >> i was with a group, and theyleft me alone. >> they left you, and told youto find help? >> i am asking for help, becausei might get kidnapped or something.>> are you afraid? >> yes.>> here we go. >> that child says he is afraid.we spoke with the uncle of that child.they spoke with our correspondent.>> when you saw that video of your nephew, that must have beenhard. >> it is the hardest feel terrible. everyone of us who saw thevideo, and the family, we have cried a lot.>> when you spoke with your nephew, did he ask for hismother? >> yes.>> what did you say? >> i told him she was ok.>> you lied to him. >> they werent expecting this.they criticized donald trump so much, and they are worse.>> over 170,000 undocumented immigrants entered the country,and this does not look to end soon.ricardo zúñiga, thank you for being here with us on the show.>> thank you. >> you just returned from a tripto central america, particularly guatemala and el salvador.what did you accomplish? >> the important thing at thismoment is to establish lines of communication to the governments, with private sector and the public sector, who can helpalleviate the conditions that are causing this massive flow ofpeople coming from -- coming through mexico into the notedstates. this trip was to -- the unitedstates. this trip was -- in favor ofthis long-term project. >> dealing with issues, andthese governments. why are people leaving elsalvador, nicaragua, honduras and guatemala?>> conditions are different in each country, but they share incommon, a lack of hope and some cases, there is a danger to their lives as a result ofthe government or sometimes other factors, and at the end ofthe day, it is a lack of opportunity that seems to be themost important factor behind this might be a lack of economic opportunities like unemployment,or they dont have options in their lives and do not see abetter future. >> president biden wants toinvest $4 billion in central america.he seems to have good intentions, but this will takeyears if not decades. how do we solve an urgentproblem on the border now, when his project is so long-term?>> the first thing we have to do is prove that there are legalmeans that can solve these situations.that is one focus. another focus is to show incases where we have seen natural disasters, to increasehumanitarian aid to the most affected people so they will nothave to leave, not just because they have no hope for thefuture, but because right now, they dont have things likeelectricity. try to work with multilateralbanks and resolve these problems that are urgent and sometimesmotivating these departures. we also need to see what we cando to increase job growth and opportunities.the president put it correctly when he said what we need is awall of prosperity, and that is what we are trying to motivate.>> this is a delicate question. the newspaper in spain said thatthe president in el salvador snubbed an american envoy.why did president bukele meet with you?>> that is something you would have to ask the el salvador andgovernment. i had a meeting withrepresentatives of the private sector and our message is forall of the people of el salvador.we think what we found was a willingness to work together.we did ask for an official was not granted. but we still met our objectivesin this specific trip. >> finally, mr. zúñiga, do youthink your message from the government to central americanssaying do not come is not being received?are the only hearing of the cruelty under the trumpadministration has ended? is that the message centralamericans are getting? >> what we are seeing after somany years, we have seen not just this episode but otherepisodes that happen every two or three years, we are talkingabout a dynamic, not just a single episode, so the forcesthat are motivating these exits, unfortunately at this moment aregreater then the forces that can convince people to stay-at-home.we need to change that formula, that logic, so that -- to avoidhaving to do this every year, and the truth is that thehumanitarian effects, a massive migration can be seen in people,but also in the region, which is losing human capital, losinghope. it is bad for the united statesand for central america. we need to deal with thatdynamic, and that will solve the situation we are seeing now.>> ricardo zúñiga, thank you for joining we will hear a different point of view.christopher landau was ambassador to mexico during thedonald trump administration. the about -- -- the ambassadorwrote an op-ed for the new york times called the true reason forthe crisis on the border. he joins us from phoenix,are you a arizona.>> we sometimes this incentivize -- sometimes disincentivizemigration. no one can see these images thatwe are seeing from the border and say that this is not a cruelpolicy. i understand we are a country ofimmigrants, as you well know. my own parents were is important to have a realistic policy towardimmigration. but we need to do is incentivizelegal and orderly immigration. the current administration isdoing the exact opposite. >> last month we had 170immigrants on the border. people are blaming you and thedonald trump administration, because he created the remain inmexico policy. with dozens of refugees who assoon as they had the opportunity began crossing into the notedstates, -- into the united states, isnt this your fault?>> absolutely not. that program incentivized andabusive our asylum system. there is a lot of poverty andviolence in central america. those countries have a lot ofproblems but our asylum laws are very specific for people who arepersecuted by their government, because of their religion,ideology, that is not the case in central america.theyve got problems, but it is not like hitlers is in centralamerica -- it is not like hitlers in central america.the problem was to dis incentivize people who arecoming and being abused and used by smugglers who try to enterthe country by a view -- by abusing the asylum program.with that program, we were able to avoid that abuse of theasylum policy. the bite in the administrationdecided to end that program, and now we are seeing the results.>> do you think that mexico, the government of ober --government of obrador, became the wall?the use of national guard to prevent immigrants into theunited states. >> it is very obvious that theimmigration problem is a shared challenge between mexico and theunited states. we have seen in the last fewyears, that the challenge has evolved substantially, and nowthere are people from all over the world that want to enter theunited states in an irregular fashion, by crossing throughmexico. mexico doesnt want to be theentry point for people who want to come to the united statesfrom india, anglo --, the congo, especially during a pandemicstop i think what -- i think when president lopez oberrador became president, he saw everybody was going to theunited states. >> did you threaten to imposetariffs on mexico? >> yes.if we cannot reach an agreement, obviously the relationship withmexico wont continue in a regular way, if mexico isincentivizing irregular immigration, and i think thatthe lopez obrador administration also did not want toincentivized irregular immigration.the root of the problem is that we need to find a system likethe bracero program so people can come and work in thiscountry legally, protected by laws, so they dont have to livein the shadows. we need to regularize is precisely why i wrote in the new york times the other day, that the key to the problem is that it is very easy to findjobs in the unit states if you are undocumented.there is no system -- there is no verify system that works.>> i read your op-ed and you proposed that verify be appliedto the united states entirely. we have had this program forover 10 years and it does not work.we have become accustomed to the labor of undocumentedimmigrants in this country. -- document immigrants in thiscountry -- undocumented immigrants in this country.>> if you use it and your competition doesnt use it, theyhave an advantage. it only works if it isuniversally applied. that is why i am calling for theuniversal use of e-verify. a lot of people who come here,desperate, with the dream to live and work in the unitedstates, they are good people. i dont have anything againstthem. the problem is that our systemplaces them in a very dangerous situation, not just for theirtrip but in living here. >> two questions before we end.mexico did not pay for the wall, right?>> no, it is a sovereign state. we are also a sovereign country,and we always have had a good relationship with mexico and thegovernment. >> what did you learn frommexicans? what advice would you give thenext ambassador to mexico? >> enjoy the country.there are many challenges to the relationship, but at the end ofthe day, we are allies and natural partners.we saw this with the free trade agreement.i hope we can go beyond these immigration challenges and focuson the more positive aspects of the relationship and what we cancreate together. to work toward having a powerfultrade relationship. >> when we return, should therebe special passports or people who have received the covid-19vaccination in the united states?a congressman says immigrant coming into the country is good.they will talk to us about the climate crisis that affects theentire country of mexico. >> the planet has limits.>> it is a living hell there. >> the river is still alive.groups. we return now to jorge ramos.>> the virus is spreading because we have too many peoplewho see the end in sight and think we are at the finish linealready, but let me be deadly earnest with you.we are not at the finish line. >> what joe biden said, we havegood news so far about the pandemic.president biden says that after april 19, all adults in theunited will be eligible to get a vaccine.he also said the united states has given hundred 50 millionvaccines -- has given 150 million vaccines.with only 27% of latinos having gotten the vaccine, below thenational average, while 39% plan to be vaccinated as soon as theyare eligible. we are joined by dr. julio frenk, president of the university of miami and former secretary ofhealth in mexico. dr. frenk, thank you for beingwith us. let me begin by asking you aboutthe idea of having a vaccine passport.for instance, you at the university of miami, could youforce your students to be vaccinated before going toclass? >> we should clear up that therewas a long history of asking for proof of vaccination.this was done before the eradication of was done with yellow fever. it is not the first time thatpeople have asked for documents so that travelers do notendanger the lives of others. but i think is important is toavoid politicizing this topic, but unfortunately it is beingpoliticized. i think president bidens stanceis appropriate. he is saying the governmentwont do it, so it wont be politicized but if there areprivate entities that want to do so, they will be able to do so.>> dr. frenk, have you decided what to do at the university ofmiami? >> yes.what we are doing now is to ask all of our students, as well asthe employees, professors, to have a vaccine and beginningmonday, all students can get vaccinated.we have been sending out notifications and what we havedecided to do is to wait for the end of may and incentivize thatthis be voluntary. depending on the numbers that wehave before summer break, we will make the decision ofwhether or not we will continue having that be voluntary.that will be ideal if the number is high, or we will make it arequirement, as we had to do with the influenza vaccine.>> what do you think about the screen pass that is being usedin israel, to go to restaurants and concerts and public spaces?is this a good idea and should this be applied in the unitedstates and latin america? >> i think it is a good idea,that is done, respecting peoples piracy concerns, indicating --peoples privacy concerns. i think those are the mainobjections. i think we have to listen tothose voices. from a strictly public healthperspective, without politicizing this topic, to havea way for people to be certified and sure that they are protectedis a way of protecting others. it allows them to interact in amore open way and helps reactivate the economy.i am opposed to the idea of politicizing it.a public health measure should not be politicized.>> i would like to ask you about something you wrote, regardingthe disparity between official deaths in mexico due to thecoronavirus, and the numbers you have released.can you tell us why mexico is not releasing the true number ofdeaths, due to the pandemic? >> from the beginning, it wasclear there was an underreporting of deaths.there were techniques like measuring excess deaths,compared to other years and when we see a difference in a year,we know something happened. we obviously know somethinghappened last year. the government itself, which hasan autonomous organization that used data on populations anddeath certificates, estimates that instead of that officialnumber, a government that gives very few tests by the way, weare at over 310,000 deaths. >> not 200,000 as the officialnumber said. >> yes.>>what is interesting is that th government didnt account ofexcess deaths, and this was announced by the secretary ofhealth. my editorial indicates we needto maintain the autonomy of the organizations that are countingthese deaths. unfortunately in mexico,communication has been confusing and contradictory.that is the key to controlling the pandemic, even with avaccine. in the u.s., we are doing anadmirable job of vaccination, despite some disparities.all of that requires information.there is a risk to democracy in mexico.democracy needs autonomous organizations that can provideindependent information and keep leaders responsible.>> we will leave it at that. thank you so much for joiningus. >> thank you.questions regarding the coronavirus and give youinformation on where to get the coronavirus vaccine.scan this code on your phone and get that information.we will take a break and when we return, congressman julio vargastalks about why he thinks it is good for immigrants to come tothe united states. there are presidential electionsin ecuador. we will have a report.>> we will go back to a topic of the week.the president biden administration is spending $60million to house families who have crossed the border.there are 70 children, the government does not have enoughspaces to put them. the san diego convention centeris almost filled up. we are joined now by congressmanjuan vargas, whose district includes part of san diegocounty. congressman vargas, thank youfor joining us. we just had former ambassador tomexico christopher landau on the show.he said it is president bidens fault sony migrants are comingto the united states. how do you see things?>> that is not true. the truth is we have always hadmany people coming to the united states, especially if somethinghappens that is dangerous in mexico or central america, likethe hurricanes that came through central america.this was not biden, this was an act of god.>> what should we do? how should this be managed.particularly, thinking about the over 18,000 children that havebeen detained in a month, crossing the border alone.>> we have to follow the law. these children need help.they came here asking for help, asking for asylum, asking forrefuge. according to our laws, we didnot care for these children. we need to try to unite themwith their families. they are asking for asylum.perhaps they will get it, perhaps they wont, but that isup to the courts to decide. we need to treat them with careand receive fact -- and respect. >> do you think we need tobecome accustomed to these numbers?president biden wants to invest more than $4 billion in centralamerica. vice president kamala harris isin charge of that, but this will take many years.>> president trump did not want to help those countries.we need to help those countries, so that they can rise up again.we need to help those countries if we want people to stay in.. those countries this is not justtap -- to stay in this countries.this is not just happening in this part of the is happening all over the world, not just in a lot -- notjust in latin america. >> before the interview, yousaid we are seeing that as a problem, but it is a benefit.>> yes, of course. all economists say ourpopulation is getting older. we need younger people, we needmore young people, more working age people who can work for manyyears, so that the country can continue.these are the children that will raise up the country.this isnt new, this has happened before.we are a country of immigrants. this has always happened.we need to see them as a gift from god, not as a negativething, as others are saying. these children are a gift.these children want to improve their lives.when they improve their lives, they improve our lives as well.>> a more personal question. you got the is california handling the pandemic?i understand they want to reopen the economy fully.what is happening in california? >> more or less well at thismoment. >> thank you for being on theshow. >> at your service.>> when we return, a new facet from mexican --.with the climate crisis in is called "el tema," and each episode will deal with adifferent topic. >> what is happening with thewater, the air and this virus. in case you did not remember,you are part of the ecosystem. you are interconnected.we need to figure out what we are going to do.♪ >> i think that we cannotcontinue down that path. >> behind all this, there is alot of work. i think the benefits are worthit. >> actor, producer and director,gael garcía bernal, is part of this project.he is here with us now. gael, thank you for being withus. when i saw part of yourdocumentary, i thought nearly 2 million people have died aroundthe world because of the pandemic.8 million people died because of pollution and environmentalproblems. how did this idea occur?>> that is just because of air pollution.that statistic you gave us is because of air pollution, does this come up? where does this come from?it comes from an innate concern that is universal, that all ofus share. we have been thinking about thisand hearing about this for decades.making us think that there is a problem and it is corroboratedscientifically. there is global warming that iscaused by human activity, and the model of, lets saydevelopment, the way of organizing civilization isdriving us toward imminent disaster.we are not doing anything to stop it.>> thinking about the topics you are dealing with with water inchihuahua, coal in coahuila, energy in tabasco and food inchapala. >> everyplace -- every place isdealing with each of these things.chihuahua receives very little water.that first episode on april 13 will deal with the water issuein chihuahua. you will understand what it iscausing -- what it is, causing the scarcity.>> in the middle of a pandemic, gael?>> with a lot of care and following protocols, with asmall team, we did this in a very discreet manner, and thisis what we do. we make movies, this is our job.>> in the middle of the most difficult times in the pandemicin mexico, between 200000 and 200,000 deaths.>> beginning with march 2020, every moment was a tragicmoment, a moment of emergency. we took every precaution likemany productions have done, with every care, following everyregulation, taking care of ourselves and thanks to all ofthe existing protocols, we did not have any cases ofcoronavirus. everything worked out well,fortunately. >> gael, you are in bornosaturdays -- in window saturdays -- in buenos do you compare what is happening there to what ishappening in mexico or the united states?>> this is something the world was not prepared for, anywhere.everyone has reacted depends on the social psyche. here in argentina, stringentrules were established, trying to prevent an increase in casesand in some ways, they achieved that, but not in others.every country has had those kinds of challenges.>> congratulations. the show, "el tema," premiersapril 13. now i know what you did duringthe pandemic. >> sounds like a movie, i knowwhat you did during the pandemic.we need to do something about this climate crisis.that is a topic that concerns all of humanity.>> thank you for being with us. >> take care.>> w♪ >> ecuadorians are picking apresident. economists andres arauz isfacing off against former banker guillermo lasso.beyond that, they are also choosing what kind of countrythey want ecuador to be, all of this in the middle of thepandemic. we are joined by freddie.thank you for. .being here can you tell us the debt -- thank you for beinghere. can you tell if the differencesbetween andres arauz and guillermo lasso?>> hello, jorge. greetings from ecuador.andres arauz represents an idea that the state would be anengine of the economy. he will focus on socialpolicies. guillermo lasso is the candidatefor the right. he is supporting privateenterprise and foreign investment.he thinks that they can purchase bait more in health andeducation, while andres arauz has talked about fightingoligarchies and elites in ecuador.>> these are two different views for the country.lasso says if arauz wins, ecuador could become anothervenezuela. is this an exaggeration?>> these are the fears that exist, because andres arauzscandidacy is rooted in the legacy of rafael.there is a concern that they will use the resources of thecentral bank. andres arauz has said he wantsto repatriate resources. .there is also concern that he may influence the central bankand destabilize the economy. there is concern that ecuadormay eventually become venezuela. andres arauz says there isnothing to worry about, that ecuador will follow a differentpath. everything remains to be seenthis sunday, when ecuadorians are voting.>> let me end with this. how do you campaign in themiddle of the pandemic and how does that affect the election?>> there was a concern that ecuadorians might not votebecause of a fear of contagion. right now we are in a surge, butecuadorians are going to the polls with security measures.face masks are required. people have to bring their ownpens, and only one person can enter at a time.they must be unaccompanied. in the first round, we had thisexperience. there were a lot of people, butthis time the doors will be open.there will be proper ventilation, so the people willnot get this virus that is affecting the entire world.the experience has been positive, and we hope that todaythis will happen again, and that there wont be more cases.>> thank you for joining us. >> thank you.>> voters in peru and bolivia are also peru, 18 candidates are vying for the first round, and therewill be another round in july. i will see you next week, when will you -- when we will get tothe point, "al punto." ♪

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