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Al Punto con Jorge Ramos - 19 de septiembre 2021

El nuevo embajador de Estados Unidos concede su primera entrevista a Jorge Ramos. La suprema corte de justicia de México despenaliza el aborto, Marta Lamas nos habla sobre ello. Recordamos los últimos momentos del escritor Gabriel García Márquez.
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>> lets get to the point, "al punto."this will be the first interview that the new ambassador tomexico gives. we will speak politics ofcourse, but he also saying méxico lindo y querido -- healso sang méxico lindo y querido.">> we also have two stories about abortion in mexico, whereit was decriminalized. in texas, it becomes almostimpossible. we also remember the life of oneof the most influential latin american authors in -- what isrevenge foreign? a journalist on times 100 mostinfluential list talks of us about protecting the mostintimate moments in a persons life.we begin now. ♪>> lets get to the point, "al punto" with jorge ramos.>> lets get to the point, "al punto."there are few relationships as complicated as the one betweenmexico and the united states. -- said the border between bothcountries is like a scar that is widening.today we begin with the first interview granted to atelevision outlet by ken salazar, ambassador to mexico.i traveled to mexico to talk to him.we talked about crime and the many opportunities forcooperation. the first time i refer to you asambassador, i referred to you as senator and a secretary.are you used to it yet? >> not yet but it is an honorand privilege to be here in mexico with the title ofambassador to the united states. >> im going to ask you a littlemore about your position and your mission but i wanted to askyou about the border between mexico and the united states.mexico accepts americans coming in despite the pandemic but notthe united states. when will the border open againfor mexicans? >> that is one of the bigquestions that needs to be resolved.president biden is working on the pandemic, one of the hardestthings in the world. we need to make sure we get tothe other end of the pandemic in the united states.everybody needs to get vaccinated.we are also monitoring what is happening at the entry points ofour country. there is no date to reopen theborder. >> no.>> i want to ask you about mexico in practice.many people have said it has become a border wall for theunited states. the mexican national guard andmexican army are blocking central americans, sometimesviolently, from entering the united states and many peoplethink there is no difference between donald trump andpresident joe biden. that the policy to turn mexicointo the border wall for the united states remains the same.do you want to change that? >> president biden wants tochange the relationship and he wants us to have an immigrationsystem that will work for the region.mexico and the united states and also canada but also centralamerica. we are talking about that now,trying to find solutions, solutions that have been neededfor many years. >> is the united statespressuring mexico to stop central americans?to be the wall? >> the truth is that we need tohave control over our borders. it is a reality for us in theunit states and mexico as well. -- united states and mexico aswell. that is something we need tocollaborate with the mexican government about.>> does it bother you, when biden is compared to trump interms of immigration policy? >> the comparison is out ofplace because the truth is that joe biden has -- i refer to itas a latin heart. he knows what it feels like tobe somebody with not a lot of money.he knows what it is like to suffer, and that is why he wantsto work hard for workers, for the middle class, to lifteverybody. he does not come from a highsocial class. he is like me.in that sense, he is focused on what is happening here incentral america and mexico. as we all know, the future ofnorth america requires the integration of the economies ofmexico, the united states and canada.we are working on that. >> president andrés manuel lópezobrador said a few days ago that mexico wasnt the united states'within that sovereignty, there are many ways in which we canwork together to improve the conditions of the people in theunited states. >> speaking of cooperation,currently there is a lot of violence in mexico.the andrés manuel lópez obrador regime could be the mostviolent. there are over 100 mexicansbeing killed every day. many people think it is thefault of the unit states because weapons from the united statescome here and because of the hike it -- the high drugconsumption rate in the united states.>> i dont think it is a matter of assigning blame.i think the truth is that drugs are consumed in the unitedstates are part of the problem. that creates some of theviolence. the guns and weapons that comefrom the north is also part of the problem, so what is neededis that we work with the mexican government, the americangovernment, to solve these security problems.>> i want to ask you how you see the relationship between mexicoand the united states. a writer said the border is ascar. they wrote of the united statesand mexico as distant neighbors. >> i see it as a people.two nations but one people. you and i know each other well.you know that for me, the truth is that in the united states, wehave 60 million latinos. 40 million of mexican indus --of mexican ancestry. we have the same roots.the border that was created as a result of the mexican-americanwar that ended in 1848, that separated us but it did notseparate the spirit and values that we have.values of family, faith and culture, the love that we have.what we need to do is unite more.that is why what we are going to do is not just have aconversation with the mexican people but also with people inthe united states, including mexican americans.>>dictator, diaz-canel. how can the united states getalong with a mexican president like lópez obrador?>> mexico has its sovereignty. president lópez obrador will dowhat he does. the u.s. interests are notalways going to be the same as his interests.we need to focus on the big things, the things where we canreach agreement and there are a lot of places where we agree.that is where i am placing my energy.>> later, we will see how the -- and the ambassador saying --singing méxico lindo y querido. "for now we go to another story, this one in washington, d.c.there was a protest to support people who were accused ofparticipating in the insurrection on january 6.our correspondent tells us what happened.>> this is not patriotism. this is fascism, said thisveteran. he argued with trump supporterswas -- and was arrested. the protest was in support ofthose who were arrested on january 6.>> anybody who commits acts of violence should go to jail, saidthe organizer. many protesters said there wasno violence on january 6. images of the violence were seenaround the world. >> may be from the fbi.maybe it was a trap. the fbi brought violent peopleto instigate the attack, said this protester.there have been over 600 people arrested.the protesters came to washington to protest in frontof the u.s. congress. but paradoxically, congress isempty today. there are no legislators here.they are in recess. >> we know there was a bunch ofpeople. we know if it were a bunch ofblack people, the story would have ended differently, saidthis counter protester. the protesters supported trump.some accuse them of inciting a coup détat.>> they came here thinking that they were going to take thecapitol. that goes completely against theconstitution. >> in washington.>> when we return, abortion in mexico and texas, and the battlebetween feminists and conservatives.a book that tells of the last hours of gabriel garcia marquez.what is revenge born and how a mexican activist accomplishedindependent from the organization of american states.we return now to jorge ramos. >> we are going to talk aboutabortion in texas and mexico. in mexico, the supreme courtdecriminalized abortion. it is a surprising move with akind -- for a country with such a large catholic population.support for abortion increased last year.a woman who worked for this is with us.you worked for decades in favor of decriminalizing abortion.it finally happened with the supreme court in mexico.what made the difference? >> i think it is theaccumulation of years of work at the hands of feminists, but alsothe cultural climate change in terms of abortion.a new generation sees what is happening in the world.we have seen important resolutions from theinter-american court of rights in 2012, that said that anembryo cannot have the same status as a woman.a womans right needs to prevail over the rights of an embryo.there have been several cultural, political and judicialtendencies that led to the supreme court decriminalizingabortion. >> if it is a judicial decision,does that mean that mexicans culturally are in favor of this?i have read that 53% of americans are -- 53% of mexicansare against abortion. there have been people who saywe should kill a woman who commits abortion.>> there are different regions with different levels ofconservatism. in a gallup poll we did inmexico city, we had 80% support among the population that saidit was a womans decision. it is a comp okada choice -- itis a complicated choice. there has been no consensus inany one country. the decisions are political.liberals against conservatives. reactionaries againstprogressives. whoever has the politicalmajority is able to impose their view of abortion.we saw this in texas where -- with republicans and we see thatdemocrats have a different point of view.i think it is without a doubt, a step forward but there will besectors in society that will question it or fight andorganize and we will continue this way.>> very well. this has been a victory that youhave worked for, for decades. how difficult is it now to getan abortion in mexico despite all of this?>> it is not very difficult. if you come to mexico city,where they have been doing this for a long time.women from all states come here. 80% are done with medicine.they are told how to take the pills at home, and then thewoman comes back for a medical checkup.this is the big advance. in europe, the majority ofabortions are done with medication.there is neat -- there is no need for surgical intervention.we only have it now in four states.i think that the battle from feminists and progressives willmake it so that we will see more reforms in mexico.>> we asked for opinions and here is what we heard.>> beyond that struggle of my body, my choice, we are imposingauthoritarian ideas. >> i think a woman has everychoice -- every right to choose what to do.>> you cant have a right to an abortion in a hospital if it isnot protected. >> these are just some of theopinions. can you tell me what thephilosophy is behind this decision?who has precedent? >> it is not just that.it is about social justice. in mexico, women with financialresources can get illegal abortions done.this is a decision that will benefit the majority of womenwho dont have those resources, who take risks, and in somecases die. it is going to level the field abit more. any woman who wants to have anabortion can do so without being criminalized, without riskingher life. the abortion law is like thedivorce law. people who dont want to getdivorced dont have to take advantage of it.anybody who does not want to have an abortion will not beforced to. what this is doing is attackinga question of injustice that exists in our country.>> finally, is mexico today a more feminist country?is mexico a less chauvinist country now?>> i think it is a country with more feminism, chauvinism stillexists, but there is more feminism.not just among those of us who referred ourselves as feministsbut among politicians, judges, lawyers and doctors who have afeminist perspective over many problems and that is in advance.>> thank you for being here. >> i appreciate it.>> we spoke about abortion in mexico and now i will do itabout texas. unlike mexico, it becomes moredifficult to have an abortion in los angeles -- in texas.it is forbidden to have an abortion after a heart beat canbe detected, six weeks. the supreme court did not wantto intervene. weve been covering this.it has only been a few days since this law in texas hastaken effect. what are the consequences andpractice? have abortions been forbidden intexas? >> well yes.it began in september, because that is what the law dictates.it is important to mention the supreme court.we have a constitution that has a 10th amendment that says thatthe powers that the constitution does not give to the federalgovernment nor forbids the states from enacting, thesepowers belong to the states. this law was approved in texas.there was a democrat that voted in favor, both in the senate andhouse. that is how the law came to be.>> i am thinking about a woman who might have been raped.what happens? for a lot of women, this isunfair. >> it is important to rememberthat this law allows abortion until a heartbeat can be heard.as long as there is no heartbeat present, abortion is permitted.unfortunately in the case of incessant or rape, it is atragedy, something that is terrible and of course it shouldbe condemned but even if it sounds cruel, governor gregabbotts words, which were criticized, these people havesix weeks to make this decision. people of lower income, this lawwas approved at the same time that $100 billion were approvedfor alternatives to a -- $100 million were approved foralternatives to abortion. women need to know about thosealternatives. they would not make thisdecision if they knew there were many alternatives to help them.>> why you or governor abbott or a judge or a law should makedecisions over the body of a woman?why do you want to get involved in the lives of other people?>> it is not that we want to decide.>> ethic it is the case. why can you make decisions overa womans body? >> what we are deciding about,the body of a little woman or man inside of a woman.it is a life. it is a beating heart.it is important to know that there are other alternatives andwe need to protect the right to life among the unborn.>> is your idea that this -- that the texas law can beapplied in the remaining 49 states?>> i understand there are other states and other governors whohave mentioned they want to follow in the steps -- in thesesteps because we have lost control of our other options andthe truth is that its about unmasking what abortion reallyis, not just in texas but the rest of the country.this is big business for people who provide this service.there are many other options. we are seeing that the right tolife among the unborn is important.a woman who is undergoing a crisis needs to have otheralternatives. >> excuse me, but many womendont even know they are pregnant six weeks in.that is what many people think is unjust and cruel.they dont know. >> the majority no.-- the majority know. that is an unfounded rumor.women can know before six weeks. they know if they might bepregnant. >> thank you for being here withus. when we return, what were thelast moments in the life of gabriel garcia as marques like-- gabriel garcia arcemarques like?we continue our conversation with the new ambassador tomexico, who suddenly began singing.♪ >> lets learn a little bit moreabout the life and death of the colombian novelist and nobelprize winner, gabriel garcia marquez.his son, rodrigo garcia has written a memoir, called gabo ymercedes. a farewell to gabo andmercedes: a son's memoir." i spoke with him recently.thank you for being with us. >>the book was one of the mostbeautiful and hardest i have read in years.i dont know how you do it. you talk about your father,saying it is on the most religious lives lived by a latinamerican -- one of the most privileged lives lived by alatin american. something so intimate, sopersonal. >> i never thought it would be aproject. the last three weeks i was atthe house. the experience was amazing, notonly because of the imminent death of a father but because ofeverything that surrounds us publicly.it was semiprivate and semipublic.without thinking about a project but what i started doing wastaking notes about what we were experiencing, what we wereliving. memories.after he died, i wrote a lot of that down but i never had aclear idea of what i would do with it.i didnt want to betray family privacy.last year, when my mother died, i realized that i was interestedin. it was the farewell to both ofmy parents, the end of what i call the club of horror.that is when i began to think about publishing something.i didnt want to publish something about the death of myfather, who was a beloved genius.of course that is a big part of it.probably the reason the book was published.but from my personal point of view, it was a farewell to bothparents. >> you said i am terrified oftaking notes, i am embarrassed when i write them and look themover. i ask you, how do you take noteswhen you are seeing your father slowly slip away?>> i asked myself that as well. i think it is a way ofdistracting myself and evading what was happening.i imagine many people have experienced something like this.there is nothing you can do but wait.even if you are convinced it is going to happen, you will besaid it hasnt happened. you cannot mourn a person inlife. the things that we do, sometimeswe will have a family reunion, sometimes we will generatehumor, dark humor, and sometimes i was using this to bedistracted. i noticed this was happeningthat i wasnt writing it down. >> you say that the subjectchooses you in a way, and you described that moment in adifficult manner. you said the image of yourfathers body entering the crematorium, you said it is themost indescribable moment of your life.were you able to get some distance because of yourcameramans eye? >> i think what my brain dead toprotect itself was distance itself.that is why i was not able to process the image, to be sittingthere when the body of a loved one is about to be annihilated.like i describe it in the book, it is difficult to understand.people at the funeral home applauded.>> your father died in 2014. your mother died in 2020.you described the tragedy in a way people can identify.you said that because the pandemic not allow you travel,you saw her for the last time on a screen.my own father died many years ago far away and i was unable tosay goodbye. you were able to say goodbye butin a difficult way. >> even when i saw my motheralive a few minutes before, she was practically unconscious, butyes, i was with her a lot, if not in person.during the pandemic i could not see here.i was in los angeles but we would face time.we did talk a lot about things after my father died.she was very gregarious. she had a very active sociallife. but we were very close to hereven though i could not be there with her at the last moment.i do not feel that we were incomplete.>> im glad you were able to do that.you said that he had doubts about publishing the book ornot, but he remembered what your father said.he said what i am dead, do whatever you want -- when i amdead, do whatever you want. so you did that.>> yes i suppose you are never too old to need your parents'permission. >> thank you very much for this.i dont know how you did it. it is beautiful, but also verydifficult. i dont know how you did it.i dont think that i would have been able to write about myfather that way. i dont know how you did it.as a reader, i think you. >> i am still recovering, butlike i said, i did it because i couldnt not do it.the subject came to me. i had to gave -- i had to givein. the writing itself was not sodifficult. what was difficult was to be onthat journey. >> thank you very much.>> thank you. >> when we return, what isrevenge porn? a woman who went from victim toactivist. and ken salazar walks the citiesof mexico city. he tells us what it was like togrow up♪ >> time just published a list ofthe people it considers to be the 100 most influential of theyear. olimpia coral melo cruz is amongthat list. you may have heard of her namebecause there is a law with her name.her law makes revenge porn illegal.she is with us. thank you for being here withus. congratulations for being onthat list. your voice is heard, more andmore, but it wasnt easy. it was very difficult.it was 2013. how did you go from being avictim to becoming an activist? >> to answer that question, ihad the support of my family. when i was the victim of thepublication of that video, without my consent, the firstthing i did -- the first thing that happened was people thoughti had initiated this. people judged me.i felt like i was being violated.one person who told me it isnt your fault.what my mother said was what you did was not bad.all of us have sex. your mother has sex, your fatherhas sex, your neighbor has sex. even i have sex.the difference is that people are seeing you have it.it is not your fault. dont be afraid.you should not be embarrassed because you did not commit acrime. from there, meeting otherfeminists and finding out there were other victims.ive journey -- my journey began, and now my name is notassociated with that video but with a law.>> there are over 75 million people on the internet.one out of every four say they are victims of sexualharassment, and the majority of them are women.very few people can bring up charges.suppose that someone in mexico or the united states is seeingyou now. what can they do if they are ina situation like yours? >> there are some importantthings -- in my country and many countries in latin america,there wasnt an opportunity to press charges.we also need to know we are not a victim and cannot believe itis our fault, that we provoke this.that gives more power to the aggressor.the first thing is to understand that it -- that it is not ourfault. we should not allow ourselves tobe manipulated. >> olimpia, in april of thisyear, a man was arrested for publishing intimate photographsfor the first time. people may not have experiencedhaving a video online but they may have felt in their own waythat their lives have been violated.what can and can you not do with a cell phone?>> it is important that when we are on the internet, we beempowered. whatever we wouldnt dooff-line, we shouldnt do online.sexting is an interchange of erotic content that is part ofpeoples freedom, but what is not fair and what should not beacceptable is to spread something from an intimate realmto a public realm, and publish that without consent.taking photographs without consent and then publishingthem. people tell me it is your faultbecause youve allowed yourself to be recorded.why should the state protect you or why should the state change?it is very simple. if a person trusts someone elseintimately, if you have sex with them, you are not opening thewindows so everybody can watch. the moment they open the windowswithout their consent, it is a violation and that is very wellidentified in the offline space. now we need to identify it inthe online space. enough of this kind of violence.i hope my voice will raise awareness in the world.>> olimpia, may your voice be heard loudly.thank you for being with us and congratulations for theinclusion in time magazine. when we return, we continue ourconversation with the new ambassador to mexico.he went on a walk with us in mexico.ambassador, i invite you to take a walk on the sorge ramos>> as you hurt the beginning of the show, i traveled to mexicoto interview the new u.s. ambassador to mexico, kensalazar. i asked if he wanted to join meon a walk in mexico city and he said yes.he did not anticipate at all and in the middle of the sidewalk,he talked about his family, literature and even began tosing. we are on the streets of mexicocity. do you feel safe here?>> safe and very happy. >> ambassador, do you feelmexican? >> i know that the --youve been on the continent for almost four centuries but do youfeel mexican? >> i feel mexican-american andhere in mexico, the family values, the values of faith,those are the same values i have in america as amexican-american. >> i read in your biography thatat one point you were insulted when you were young because youwere mexican. >> many times, right?part of the discrimination that exists in the united states.>> so youre insulted many times because you were mexican.>> many times, and many people right now, many mexicans andmexican americans are experiencing the same thing.it is part of what happens with many people in the unitedstates. here too.>> do you feel proud of your mexican origin?>> yes. it is an interesting storybecause the border crossed you, right?you were in mexico before the mexican-american war.>> that is what happened. my family were ranchers in therio grande valley. the war came, the war ended in1848. after that, but ed sisters stoodthere -- my ancestors stayed there.we were part of the united states.>> do you have a favorite mexican writer?>> a book that for me was very important was a book by amexican-american. "bless me ultima."in that book, he talks about the culture and the world in which igrew up. the mexican world but also theamerican world. the culture and the history ofour people in the united states is different from the people whohave been in mexico >> -- in mexico, but there are ties.>> i saw when you arrived to mexico city, you quoted thesong, méxico lindo y querido." you sang at the other day,right? >> [singing méxico lindo yquerido"] i dont sing very well, but itry. >> i never would have imaginedthat the ambassador from the unit it states would sing thatsong. on univision.com/alpunto.until next week, went together, we get to the point, "al punto."thank you. ♪